Why aren't HK pistols more popular?

gwhysow said:
It was with early Smiths, but newe're models aren't going to run the gauntlet really. You can read about the model classification for the issue. The lug claw issue is universal.

But like Glock, the M&Ps are made for easy service, and the service life of parts. You can buy an HK and have it run as is for 25000 rounds, or you can buy an M&P for 25000, but have to swap barrels, mags, springs and triggers.

Again, nothing wrong that, but it's all about what you want. Just a different service platform.
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Gee, I must have got lucky - I mean the barrel looks like sh*t after 55K but it'll shoot as well as I can so who cares. I'll keep shooting it until it won't hit. Then I'll buy another barrel and still have paid less than the HK45. It has a way better trigger too.
 
enefgee said:
Must be made of something really good if it cost 2.5 times as much as stainless steel and a flat wound spring.
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Did you not field strip your gun in the time you owned one? There is more machining that goes into the HK spring guide because it is also the locking block. The M&P RSA is just a turned length of stainless steel.
 
Conscript said:
The HK45 and P30 are unnecessarily complex and don't offer any real advantages over the USP which was the last benchmark that HK set. It's clear that for over 20 years they've been trying to bring a new model to market that would best that design and possibly be adopted by any respectful fighting force, which they've failed completely.
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I think the HK45 is essentially a USP45 with 21st century ergonomics, like the ambi controls, pic rail, backstraps and such. How can it be unnecessarily complex if it has the same or similar internals?
As for the HK45 and P30 not taking the mil/police world over, I'd guess it's a cost thing. And the fact that they're not striker fired.
 
H&Ks aren't more popular (especially here in Canada) because, like a lot of people have already mentioned, the price, availability of parts and their prices (such as magazines) is insane. The only reason why I don't have a Mark 23 yet is because they are $2,300 and I don't even want to know how expensive its magazines are.
 
enefgee said:
It's a gun, it's made of gun parts, which are steel, stainless steel or plastic - not platinum. It does nothing the cheaper part won't do, it's just not cheap because it's an HK part, which is bullshirt.
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"Why does Ferrari engine costs so much? My Honda engine is also made of aluminum but it's 1/4 the price."

Same type of argument here.
 
Agent Law said:
Did you not field strip your gun in the time you owned one? There is more machining that goes into the HK spring guide because it is also the locking block. The M&P RSA is just a turned length of stainless steel.
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I've stripped a few guns in the 5 or so years since I had that thing, I bought mine before they were widely available.
 
Einhander13 said:
I think the HK45 is essentially a USP45 with 21st century ergonomics, like the ambi controls, pic rail, backstraps and such. How can it be unnecessarily complex if it has the same or similar internals?
As for the HK45 and P30 not taking the mil/police world over, I'd guess it's a cost thing. And the fact that they're not striker fired.
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As much as I liked the ergos on the HK45, I prefer the USP's. But then again maybe I'm just weird...
 
mebiuspower said:
"Why does Ferrari engine costs so much? My Honda engine is also made of aluminum but it's 1/4 the price."

Same type of argument here.
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Not really - we are not talking about complex, hand fitted parts working at high speeds with critical tolerances, we're talking about a spring on a rod. The fact that you would equate the two shows how well H&K's PR has worked.
 
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