Why do manufacturers make push feed dangerous game rifles?
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Because they know that the closest thing to "dangerous game" most of their eventual buyers are going to get to is stepping on the cat at 3 in the morning when they get up to take a leak. I'd love to hunt buffalo in Africa, and I don't think I'd CARE whether the rifle is CRF or PF, just so long as I've got someone running back-up next to me (with an AK, if necessary).
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rgv said:
In my case with a 602 I bought second hand -
- new stainless 21" stainless Smith barrel chambered for the .375 Ultra
- custom quarter rib inletted for Talley rings
- trigger and bolt work
- custom stock (McMillan) properly bedded and cross bolts installed
- front sling attachment moved to the radius of the forend tip
- Galco Safari Ching Sling
- a filler built and installed behind the trigger guard
- Talley ghost ring and Ruger front barrel band with a square post sight
- 2 sets of Talley QD rings - taking 2 scopes to Tanzania
When I bought the rifle the factory barrel was badly pitted so I replaced it. I had no intention of replacing the stock, but I asked my first gunsmith to bed it and put cross bolts in - the cross bolts were left out and the stock failed. You must choose a gunsmith who is knowledgeable about powerful rifles! The front sling if located on the forend must be moved forward to reduce the chances of a cut hand. Many choose to put the front attachment on the barrel, and this has the added advantage of carrying the rifle lower when slung. I shoot with the sling when possible, so I chose to keep it attached to the stock. I've found the Galco sling very useful as both a carrying sling and a shooting sling. I had the filler installed behind the trigger guard to prevent my knuckle from getting bumped when the piece recoiled. In rapid fire drills I tended to grip the stock too high which resulted in a painful bump. A set of high quality metallic sights in my opinion are a must on a serious rifle - some prefer express sights and beads, but each to their own - I can do very well to 200 yards with a ghost ring and post. Add to the price the gunsmithing shop time and I'll be close to the $4K in total.
I did not choose that number arbitrarily, but went by the price of a new A-Square Rifle using a M-17 action. Parts cost what they cost, shop time cost what it costs...the A-Square rifles are not fancy to look at, but they appear to be well thought out, and well built without having to pay for useless embellishments. The point is that you can go out and buy a new Hannibal for about $4K or you can - over time - have a rifle built. I've been working on mine for about 5 years and it's almost ready.
Boomer said:
That , I say that asks for a higher degree of determination than me myself and I posess.
On the other hand, you'll have something closer to you than any Krieghoff you shave double the money for.
Ever thought about the bull-pup .50 BMG?
That will kill any creature in the vicinity of your POI. The muzzle brake will definately knock down the PH, so you don't have to tip him....
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eltorro said:Ever thought about the bull-pup .50 BMG?
That will kill any creature in the vicinity of your POI. The muzzle brake will definately knock down the PH, so you don't have to tip him....
That's good - I should of thought of that. I wonder if he'd include that in his next video?
When a fellows time is up, it's up. There are plenty of PH's that have died with CRF, I guess fate had it's way?. Of course the stats would hold out that the most dangerous part of the hunt was the drive to the airport or Mnt trailhead.
Any trouble I may have,a pushfeed will have to due, I like my chances.
Any trouble I may have,a pushfeed will have to due, I like my chances.
And here I have spent all my years worrying more about large claw (98) extracters vs small (Remington ) extracters. In extreme heat, chamber pressures go up. This may cause stickey extraction of fired cases.
I have personally seen shooters "tear the rim" off stuck cases when they are operating off a little adrenaline buzz. Early Rem 700 in .416 was the piece in question.
IMHO I would be a lot more concerned with extraction on a large bore (dangerous game) rifle than I would push or controlled feed.
All my c/f rifles have large extracters. Even my 700 in .223 has been reworked to use a Sako extracter.
Thegunnut
I have personally seen shooters "tear the rim" off stuck cases when they are operating off a little adrenaline buzz. Early Rem 700 in .416 was the piece in question.
IMHO I would be a lot more concerned with extraction on a large bore (dangerous game) rifle than I would push or controlled feed.
All my c/f rifles have large extracters. Even my 700 in .223 has been reworked to use a Sako extracter.
Thegunnut
MedvedQC......
Sako extracer engages a larger amount of the casing head Dia.
Also... The Remington extracter (in my opinion... not to be confused with the truth) is somewhat anemic, and prone to failure.
I love the 700 action (once trued) for accuracy, but am somewhat less than inspired by their case extraction ability UNDER ADVERSE CONDITIONS.
As far as the extracter work I had done on my .223.... It was not that I fear failure during the charge of the dreaded " Bull Gopher", It is simply a matter of personal preference.
For the record...
My "business rifles"
.375 H&H - FN Browning - Controlled feed - Large claw extracter
.378 Wby - P17 Custom (by Answer Products) - Slam feed - Large claw extracter
9.4 X 64 Br - Voere - Slam feed - Large claw extracter
.358 Norma mag - M70 ( post 64) - Custom (By O'dell and myself.... everyone needs a light rifle) Slam feed - Large claw extracter
9.3 X 64 Br. - M70 ( post 64) - Custom ( by me) Slam feed - Large claw extracter.
Detect a pattern ?????
Regards.. Thegunnut
Sako extracer engages a larger amount of the casing head Dia.
Also... The Remington extracter (in my opinion... not to be confused with the truth) is somewhat anemic, and prone to failure.
I love the 700 action (once trued) for accuracy, but am somewhat less than inspired by their case extraction ability UNDER ADVERSE CONDITIONS.
As far as the extracter work I had done on my .223.... It was not that I fear failure during the charge of the dreaded " Bull Gopher", It is simply a matter of personal preference.
For the record...
My "business rifles"
.375 H&H - FN Browning - Controlled feed - Large claw extracter
.378 Wby - P17 Custom (by Answer Products) - Slam feed - Large claw extracter
9.4 X 64 Br - Voere - Slam feed - Large claw extracter
.358 Norma mag - M70 ( post 64) - Custom (By O'dell and myself.... everyone needs a light rifle) Slam feed - Large claw extracter
9.3 X 64 Br. - M70 ( post 64) - Custom ( by me) Slam feed - Large claw extracter.
Detect a pattern ?????
Regards.. Thegunnut
