I won't buy Remington ammo. I might have some budget trap rounds but otherwise nope not happening same as federal
Why does Remington suck so hard?
- Thread starter diemaco
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You can satisfy some of the people some of the time.
You just can not satisfy All of the People All of the Time.
Manufacturers will provide products to buy that will maximize their investment.
If Remington does not provide what one needs/wants then perhaps Federal or Winchester or Norma makes the product one in yearning for.
You just can not satisfy All of the People All of the Time.
Manufacturers will provide products to buy that will maximize their investment.
If Remington does not provide what one needs/wants then perhaps Federal or Winchester or Norma makes the product one in yearning for.
Have a bad experience? I haven't shot a lot of Rem ammo other than their golden bullets in 22lr, but I haven't had any issues with the few boxes I have shot. Killed my first black bear with 130gr corelokt out of my 270win, and I'm using Rem brass from factory ammo for reloading my 243 these days.
All my experiences with Remington predate the most recent bankruptcy.
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Here's just one example of the absolute crap Remington has sold me in times past. No more. I prefer anything made in Europe lately, not only because of superior European quality control, but also because of the current USA government threatening Canada at every opportunity.
Not all Gunnutz are trendy fan-boys either, but a lot are. I get a chuckle when a "Manni Man-bun" type shows up at the club after spending a crap-load on the latest fad, to show everyone "how it's done", then struggles to even keep it on the paper. We always do what we can to help when it comes to sighting in, tequnique etc. But when we print a tiny group with their rifle, and they can't, and then ask you what they need to get or do to shoot better; the answer is always the same... buy or start loading more ammo, practice for 20 years.
I owned a few older 700 rifles, a 40X rifle, some Wingmasters, and a 22lrrr that were excellent firearms. I still have some STS and Nitro target loads, that are excellent. Their greatest achievement was the 7mmremmag, and the 700, is the most copied basic design ever. That being said, Remington doesn't offer much that interests me today.
If only one could find STS's locally (to me).
I would be happy
Regards,
Rob
ps, this is not a wtb post.....
I bought 27 flats from Prophet River, a couple of years ago, it was all that they had left. I believe that I have 8 left to start our sporting clays season, after using up the last of my AA loads last fall.If only one could find STS's locally (to me).
I would be happy
Regards,
Rob
ps, this is not a wtb post.....
Whether or not a cartridge with your name on it is popular doesn't really matter to a company's bottom line. Remington can sell rifles and ammo in Winchester cartridges. The question is how many rifles are you selling.
Remington did well for many years because the 700 was an innovative and high quality rifle. They fell from their high position due in part to more competition in to early 00's; but, I'll argue it was mostly due to the private equity buyout which led to the en####ification of the product.
A 700 from the 60's to the 90's is an absolutely superb rifle, if you watch the EE you can find fantastic rifles for less than a modern Axis/American/whatever budget rifle is popular.
Remington did well for many years because the 700 was an innovative and high quality rifle. They fell from their high position due in part to more competition in to early 00's; but, I'll argue it was mostly due to the private equity buyout which led to the en####ification of the product.
A 700 from the 60's to the 90's is an absolutely superb rifle, if you watch the EE you can find fantastic rifles for less than a modern Axis/American/whatever budget rifle is popular.
There's a big difference between what constitutes a "succesful" cartridge from one perspective versus the next. As a consumer, I look at a cartridge that has been popular for a century, and from my perspective that makes it a success. But a ballistics nerd looks at a "new" cartridge and sees minute "improvements" in certain facets of its performance, compared to the old favourites, and says "Wow! Look at that BC, look at that sectional density, look at those improved energy figures, more, faster, shinier...that's a success!"
A gunmaker introduces the new 6.7Cringemore, markets the crap out of it to those guys, and sells a trainload of rifles. That's good, in the short term...but to keep selling to that second group, they need a more newer, more faster, more shinier followup a few years later. That way, the nerds need to buy another rifle because the "old" one...that they bought 3 years earlier...is now just obsolete trash. To a gunmaker, a gun that has built-in obsolescence, and necessitates the purchase of yet another gun shortly after, and then another, etc...that is the ultimate success!
A gunmaker introduces the new 6.7Cringemore, markets the crap out of it to those guys, and sells a trainload of rifles. That's good, in the short term...but to keep selling to that second group, they need a more newer, more faster, more shinier followup a few years later. That way, the nerds need to buy another rifle because the "old" one...that they bought 3 years earlier...is now just obsolete trash. To a gunmaker, a gun that has built-in obsolescence, and necessitates the purchase of yet another gun shortly after, and then another, etc...that is the ultimate success!
I dunno. I'm pretty sure companies get royalties from new cartridge designs? Hornady doesn't even make rifles but they're the ones making most of the really popular stuff over the last 20 years - Creedmoor, PRC, and ARC are all from them I'm pretty sure?
Especially now. From what I recall Remington Ammo and Remington Arms got spilt up in the last bankruptcy so I'd think the Ammo guys don't give a #### about rifle sales.
I was under the impression there would only be royalties if there was a patent and there aren't many cartridges patented for many reasons.
I am however not an expert so would of course be willing to be corrected.
I mean I love the Remington chamberings like 6mm 260 and 280. But for the price and pain I might switch a few rifles out for some more pre 64 Winchester M70s in more common cartridges lol. That being said it’d be tough to part with my rem cals that are all in Rem 700s
I agree, rem cartridges in their class are competitive or right up there - just marketed improperly. The best thing for me when I got into stuff was a couple reloading manuals, can compare em all by flipping a few pages. I tend to be bit different not a 270,308,06 300mag guy lol
I have all the "MM" rems and like em all, as well as handful of 260's and couple 280's and a roberts. Most of em are here for a reason and do their job well and ballistics tell the story. I keep an eye out for older 700's and m77mk2's as seems to be a race to the bottom now days with all the plastic stuff.
Thought i might be done but thats no fun, think my 6.5mag needs an older brother so keeping eye out for a m77 ss 350rm, found couple blued ones been kinda temping me.
I have all the "MM" rems and like em all, as well as handful of 260's and couple 280's and a roberts. Most of em are here for a reason and do their job well and ballistics tell the story. I keep an eye out for older 700's and m77mk2's as seems to be a race to the bottom now days with all the plastic stuff.
Thought i might be done but thats no fun, think my 6.5mag needs an older brother so keeping eye out for a m77 ss 350rm, found couple blued ones been kinda temping me.
Remington can be in a much higher state in terms of reputation and sales. Things I wish they did was continue the Versa Max shotgun line (the Versa Max Tactical is excellent). I don't know if they still make the M24 (military 700 bolt action rifle) but that rifle would sell like hot cakes to the public if it was around the ~$2000 range. I waited over a decade+ for the XM2010 to be made into civilian sales and they just didn't do it.
I don't know much about the unique cartridges in the past so I can't really chime in on that. They even cut AR-15's and their handgun line...
The good news? I just saw Remington bring back the Wingmaster.... I don't know how good the quality is compared to the past.
I don't know much about the unique cartridges in the past so I can't really chime in on that. They even cut AR-15's and their handgun line...
The good news? I just saw Remington bring back the Wingmaster.... I don't know how good the quality is compared to the past.
Ten or more years ago, I realised that Remington was in a downhill race with Winchester as to whose products could suck the hardest, particularly in the ammunition department. It was like watching what happened to US auto manufacturing starting in the mid 1960s.
The reason we are gun nutz is to find the perfect rifle/shotgun. That's why we keep doing what we do. I have and have had some great Remington guns. None were perfect. Same with other companies for that matter. I don't think I want anyone to build a perfect one. This is a good discussion that reminds me I'll keep looking
