Why Dr Dave Resigned

Filthy1 said:
And for the record...
1) Club Rep meeting was planned way before the Provincials fiasco began.
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100% absolutely correct. And I would venture to say that the meeting was very much a success. Was it perfect? No, but that would be because I did not get my way 100% of the time :p

But that fact is a separate issue from the Barrie fiasco and our current situation.

When good things are done it should be noted.

When bad things are done it should likewise be noted.

Unfortunatly it is far easier and common to only achieve the latter
 
stormbringer said:
But that fact is a separate issue from the Barrie fiasco and our current situation.
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I'll probably regret asking...but what "current situation" :confused:

Dave was not voted off the Board, he was not asked to give up his Instructor status or step down as a board member of the Wentworth club. He did so voluntarily. He's an adult...capable of making his own decisions and we should respect those decisions.

This is nothing more than group dynamics...and is a reality with any BOD.

If the last dust up had never happened...no one would even be discussing this.
 
ckc123 said:
Actually I think the exact quote (From a BOD member) was.. "I would like you to remove my email address from your mailing list. I no longer wish to get email from you from here on out since you willfully display my address so everyone else can see it."
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The security of our personal information and membership database was brought into question during the last election. Individuals wondered how our e-mail addresses were acquired by one of the individuals running for the BOD. (Our database and personal information was proven to be secure.)

I defend the BOD member that replied with the concern of BCC versus CC. I get enough spam as it is with having my e-mail addressed CC’d in every email to the BOD.
 
Filthy1 said:
And how did that turn out for you?
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Actually, very well, back then. There was more of a feeling of cohesiveness even though the province was broken in to regions. We put on matches for the sake of putting on matches. The money was a minor issue as long as everyone enjoyed the match. We had 6 or 7 level IIIs a year and they were a lot of fun. We all (for the most part) worked building and then ROing the matches. Then the politics and politicians(a pejorative) got in the way. It has been down hill since 1995.
 
Filthy1 said:
Taken from a post I put up in an earlier thread...

Not three full months into this newly elected board and I have seen:
1) A Club Rep meeting (1st one in over 15 years);
2) A President / Section Coordinator taking a more active roll in our Provincials;
3) Aggressively addressing a new classification system;
4) Addressing the fact that the AGM should not be held at our Provincials (not the right place to be mixing our provincials with a meeting of, let's face it, the politics of our organization);
5) Incorporating and our constitution being dealt with by the services of a lawyer;
... I could keep going.... (And I will)
6) Financially stable;
7) Working on a IPSC Ontario membership forum

Broken? Fix what? PROGRESS

1: Yes, a good meeting. I was there, got to give her this one. At least everyone had a chance to meet.

2: But at what cost? Do you remember the letters sent out? (my letter posted here)
Active to a point of almost not having a Provincials. I resigned over it.

3: When will it be in place? Does the membership know about it? It seems to be the same one made last year by another group. (which I was part of)

4: Discussed in past years, lets see if it indeed does happen.

5: Conflict of interest here.
She is using her lawyer. Not a very good practice. How is the membership involved? Are they being consulted or is she even asking the membership if one of us is a lawyer?

6: Possibly, But cannot really tell, the Financials are not audited. IPSC Ontario is not a Corporation. The financials posted are not valid as far as I am concerned. (My Opinion) So I cannot tell if we do have money or how it is spent.

7: Untill then he forum here is good enough it seems. At least there is a discussion going on.


If this is progress, well you can keep it.

Has IPSC Ontario ever run better?

I would have to say yes, but it is too early to tell. I hope she can fix it.
We have always had issues but not so many in so little time.

I do have an ax to grind. All this is my opinion and I hope that I am proven wrong.
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johnespos said:
6: Possibly, But cannot really tell, the Financials are not audited. IPSC Ontario is not a Corporation. The financials posted are not valid as far as I am concerned. (My Opinion) So I cannot tell if we do have money or how it is spent.

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There's no consensus on that John...from the members or the previous BOD's. We brought it up during the AGM at EESA (the most well attended one in a while)...and it was pretty much a 50 50 split. Half thought it was required...half thought it was too expensive. We went on the professional advice of the Accountant (and it makes no sense to pay someone for advice and not use it) who said based on the amount of income and expenses...it was not required.

Personally, I would have preferred to have audited statements...but regardless they are still prepared by a Chartered accountant...
 
My concern is that all this is discussed on a very public forum is there no better way ??
 
Quigley said:
There's no consensus on that John...from the members or the previous BOD's. We brought it up during the AGM at EESA (the most well attended one in a while)...and it was pretty much a 50 50 split. Half thought it was required...half thought it was too expensive. We went on the professional advice of the Accountant (and it makes no sense to pay someone for advice and not use it) who said based on the amount of income and nature of the expenses...it was not required.

Personally, I would have preferred to have audited statements...but regardless they are still prepared by a Chartered accountant...
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There was an accountant on the BOD at one time. What did she set up for accounting and accountability/audit?? Is it, or was on your watch, still in place??
 
Quigley said:
There's no consensus on that John...from the members or the previous BOD's. We brought it up during the AGM at EESA (the most well attended one in a while)...and it was pretty much a 50 50 split. Half thought it was required...half thought it was too expensive. We went on the professional advice of the Accountant (and it makes no sense to pay someone for advice and not use it) who said based on the amount of income and expenses...it was not required.

Personally, I would have preferred to have audited statements...but regardless they are still prepared by a Chartered accountant...
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Like you, I agree on audited statements. It's an official document when done. I am not judging the past BOD and was there at that AGM. It just seems now everything is being more closely looked at. (at least I am)
We have a few accountants in our membership that if asked would do it I am sure.
 
arancio said:
There was an accountant on the BOD at one time. What did she set up for accounting and accountability/audit?? Is it, or was on your watch, still in place??
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Jules put together a set of financial statements for year 2006. Keep in mind that we essentially had to start from scratch. There was little historical data available...and what we did find was not well documented.

I actually preferred her method (accruing and deferring) but again...once she retired to the land of better smelling coffee and more time to shoot (it's really nice over here by the way) we went on the advice of the CA we were paying...who told us that using a revenue recognition method of earning it once you receive it (as opposed to deferring 2010 revenue that we received in 2009...to the 2010 income for example) was how we should proceed going forward (and how 2007 and 2008 statements were done...and I assume will be the case for 2009).

I would also note...my previous statement is in no way a slag on the BOD's prior to 2005/2006.

After the split...they did what they needed to do (rebuild)
From 2005 forward we did what we needed to do (restructure)
Your current BOD know what they have to do to finish up...so let's let them do it.
 
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Filthy1 said:
I defend the BOD member that replied with the concern of BCC versus CC. I get enough spam as it is with having my e-mail addressed CC’d in every email to the BOD.
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Well then I just have to bow down to your 25+ years of IT experience.. No wait.. that's me..

Bcc vs CC is a tiny issue in comparison to posting someones email address in the web site (this IS how emails are mined..) if you want to protect someones email on a web site don't post it up on 4 times on the main page in TEXT. use a graphic image.

Secondly don't send email to every single IPSC ontario member from your email account. .

this claim of BCC vs CC is complete BS when the person himself is gives it away MORE than freely.. you can't claim any issues with privacy when you are broadcasting it far and wide to everyone yourself. He's got NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF for the spam he gets on that account.

Kinda like blaming people for staring at you when you are standing there flashing your t**s at them..
 
Email Address for a Director

Rather than post my concerns here on GunNutz, I emailed Virgil F.,an IPSC Director,with a rather lengthy post.
Within minutes, I get a reply that the email has been returned, "Sorry, I couldn't find any host named netcom.ca."
Anyone have a proper email address for Virgil?
Private message me,please.
 
Filthy1 said:
or for polling our memebrship?
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You mean like polling software I created for the board in Feb of 2007 that went no where..

You mean like the "IT projects" I proposed for the board in 2009 that went no where..

Honestly.. I got tired of putting my hand up to offer to do work if ,there wasn't interest in the board to do them.. Well there was initial interest but that's all there was..
 
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