Why I don't compete

one of the big reasons why shooting events can be quite rigid is simply SAFETY.

I'm not suggesting things be run less safely, just with less attitude. I've been at ranges where the RO has a nazi like attitude, relishing any opportunity to chew out someone on the firing line. The last thing a newbie needs is to be belittled in front of a bunch of guys he doesn't know.

Intro days use the military Figure 11&12 targets? Do they have snaps and movers and rundowns? Not from what I've heard.

but if you are a member and want to bring one or two of your buddies to come along and participate in a shoot with you, it is not allowed unless they have gone through the Intro days.

This is exactly it. Have more fun events, different targets, courses of fire ect. I have had a few folk I would like to have brought along informally to see what it's all about, I would love to have had them along and let them shoot with me for a day but have felt uncomfortable about doing it.

The only way the sport is going to grow is if we make it easy and fun to participate. The more people who get involved the easier it becomes to run events and things will snowball.
 
Gunslinger said:
I'm not suggesting things be run less safely, just with less attitude. I've been at ranges where the RO has a nazi like attitude, relishing any opportunity to chew out someone on the firing line. The last thing a newbie needs is to be belittled in front of a bunch of guys he doesn't know.





This is exactly it. Have more fun events, different targets, courses of fire ect. I have had a few folk I would like to have brought along informally to see what it's all about, I would love to have had them along and let them shoot with me for a day but have felt uncomfortable about doing it.

The only way the sport is going to grow is if we make it easy and fun to participate. The more people who get involved the easier it becomes to run events and things will snowball.



Ditto preach the truth brother;)


Jamie Barkwell
 
I think you TR/F and BR guys should have a newbie match.

You each bring a new guy to the range and coach him/her through three matches on three ranges with your rig (or theirs) and have a little awards thing at the end with match and Agg trophies.

Only first time shooters are eligible for prizes.

Bingo. No match pressure on the regulars, an attentive mentor for every step of the way for the newbie, some competitive fun as the old farts try to get their newb to out-shoot the other newbs...

The newbs get to learn lots of tricks in one day on the range, everyone gets introduced around, etc.

Big laughs. Hell, I'd come back and shoot one of these.
 
I grew up in a small town 2o miles from a rifle range in London Ontario that had been there since the 50's. Spent 27 years in Strathroy, and never new the range in London existed. I hunted from age 7.
In 1983 I moved 15 miles west of the Cedar Springs Army range. New the Range was there, but until 3 years ago never new that civilians could and did shoot there.
Bumped into an ORA exhibit in Chatham and found out about it. Been going ever since.
So I spent 47 years living within 20 miles of rifle ranges and never new that I could shoot there.
Now, I realize that News of these events is pretty much spread via word of mouth only, and as a businessman I know that advertizing is expensive.
However a small add in the classified section of newspapers every couple of months would not hurt.
 
Promac, I recommend that training at the ORA. Check out their website.

Andy, yes, I think the DCRA is a bit retentive when running their National Champs, but I guess they have to be to keep everyone honest. From what I hear guys come from all over the world to shoot that one, so it must be pretty well run regardless.
 
OK, so far it looks like cost of membership is one factor. With all the shooting events that the ORA puts on every year, and if you can get out to shoot all of these, the cost of membership is cheap. You wouldn't join a Golf Club for $1000 a year if you only played twice a year. You do not have to jump right into competition off the start. In fact we even allow you to shoot alongside during a Competition, without paying the full fee.

The cost of the ammo is relevent to how much shooting you do. Practice days cost you ammo and a few bucks ($15-20) for a target puller for the day. Travel to and from the range seems to be one point, no only with distance but $$$ for fuel. All the more reason to get a few friends involved to help defray these cost. I travel with 3 other shooters. Two of them start in Windsor, pick me up near Chatham and then pick up another guy in London and head to Winona, Borden or Ottawa for a shoot. Sometimes this is only a one day shoot, sometimes up to 10 days. Travel time for the guys from Windsor to Borden is 5 hours each way.

If you think these shooters are stuffy and stick to their own, my little group range in age from 24-73 years of age. Stop in for a cocktail after the shooting is finished for the day, I am sure we can keep you entertained. Bring a bottle of Rum and you will have friends for life:dancingbanana:

There also seems to be a fear of DND ranges or the people that look after them, and not wanting to look out of place or be singled out. A few things here to avoid this. Contact the orginizer for the day or another member and let them know you would like to come out. This way he is prepared for you. Follow everyone elses lead and ask questions whenever in doubt. If you would like to have someone coach you, just ask.
The RSO for the day, you might think is a prick. However it is his job to ensure a safe range. Cut him some slack and he will gladly cut you some, as long as safety is not an issue.

The cost of match "entry fees" are another thing that was mentioned. Things you have to remember about these fees. It pays for the Range Officer, insurance, target faces, wind flags and Butt Markers, helmuts and prizes. The orginization makes very little profit after all these are factored in.

Not knowing about the shoots are a crock of sh*t. Some are advertised here and all are on the PRA web pages, you just have to look for them and plan ahead. If BR is something that might peak your interest there are a bunch of BR guys on this list. PM them, I am sure they can point you in the right direction for their matches.

While some people have stated shooting is slow and boring need to get out for some long range matches when the wind is making 6-8 minutes changes or even quick 2-3 minute change will get you pulling your hair out. A 1 minute change can throw you into the 4 ring.:eek: Service Conditions and Precision Matches will throw another wrinkle into shooting that may be more appealing to some looking for more excitement and a faster pace.

Others can care less about competition and how they stack up against other shooters. Great, get out and challenge youself. See if you can shoot better this time out then what you did last time.

The whole point of all this is to get out and shoot regardless of what type of shooting you do. No matter if it is BR, TR, F Class or seeing how well your hunting rifle or old .303 can do.

Maybe the whole competition thing is not you bag, but if you get out and shoot a few long range matches or pratices, sooner or later you might want to give it a go.
 
The challenge is on. ;)

I'll try and fill up a car for the April 29 shoot at Camp Borden (my home base from '77-'81 - would be great to go back), or any shoot in Kingston. :D
 
Maybe I should stick my foot into this. Some of you guyz here at the forum may know who I am.

I was an ORA Member since 1991 and joined the DCRA shortly afterward when I figured I could compete at the National level. At the time F-Class shooting was in the beginning stages and I was originally there for that, but took up TR shooting also. I will say this, the guyz at ORA were the best. The friendliest bunch you could ever meet and hang out with anytime. It ended up being a frat party sometimes.

It takes years to learn how to shoot 1000yds well. Wind doping is still the toughest thing to guage and that will never change and it is also the demise of many n00bs who try it. In most cases, an ordinary rifle is not setup to shoot at that distance, nevermind competitively. I cannot tell you how many faces I saw that became frustrated and never returned. One really needs to buy or build a rifle fot that type of shooting. So there is a cost before you can even show up.

Membership, match, range, marker and boarding fees are all part of the game. If you can't handle that, there is no sense going further. It costs money to maintain all this and nobody ever got rich. In fact, most of it is volunteer work.

There is some snobbery with the old guard, but you learn to avoid them and enjoy everyone else. Some of those guys have been there a long time and are use to having their way and would probably prefer to end it that way too. They have resisted F-Class all along, but some of the old guard are fantastic dudes. It was my pleasure to shoot shoulder to shoulder with Col. John C. Brick. For those who don't know, he was one of the few surviving legends from Dieppe. Boy, did he have stories to tell.

In my case, I got what I put into it and became enriched for it. I was at the top level by the late 90's until 9/11/2001 struck and I had to restructure my job, finances and time in order to keep house and bills paid. I shall return back to the DCRA one day soon when all is well financially again. It was always a mix of fierce competition and the folks I befriended at the matches from all around the world also that I miss. It has always been one of the best experiences in my life.

So for all those who are thinking about it and can afford it, what's holding you back? You won't regret it if you stick around. It takes time to become the best and make friends. None of those two ever came easy. Hope to see you there soon. ;)
 
maynard said:
If you think these shooters are stuffy and stick to their own, my little group range in age from 24-73 years of age. Stop in for a cocktail after the shooting is finished for the day, I am sure we can keep you entertained. Bring a bottle of Rum and you will have friends for life:dancingbanana:

Think twice before you throw in the bottle rum because I'll give you some caution. DON'T LET THEM MAKE REPAIRS ON YOUR RIFLE OR "FIX" anything. You'll end up with a quite of mess on your hands!!!!:runaway:
 
Syxx15 said:
Think twice before you throw in the bottle rum because I'll give you some caution. DON'T LET THEM MAKE REPAIRS ON YOUR RIFLE OR "FIX" anything. You'll end up with a quite of mess on your hands!!!!:runaway:

Get over it!:D It was just electrical tape. Next time I will bring a case of duct tape:dancingbanana:
 
maynard said:
Get over it!:D It was just electrical tape. Next time I will bring a case of duct tape:dancingbanana:


But there was soooo much tape on it. It's haunting my mind. THE HORROR!!! Black everywhere. Man I got to stop suppling you with duct tape.:eek:
 
jennis said:
The reason I dont ' compete ' .Too many fat guys wearing the latest 'combats' with mullets......

Hey, I take that "fat guy" comment as a personal insult:p I much perfer "fat bastard":dancingbanana: . And no I don't have a mullet, and I turned in my latest combats back in '92.
 
I just shot 1000m for the first time a couple weeks ago at our range. It was sooo satisfying to watch my bullet hit the gong. Unfortunately it was with a buddies' rifle with a target scope that he set up. Equipment and knowledge is holding me back. I'm learning though.....slowly.
 
Anglinfool, in 2007, new gear is coming out to make it so much easier and cheaper to do LR shooting.

Savage will be coming out with several rifles gear towards this form of shooting. Dirt cheap and superbly accurate, they will make a great place to start.

New scopes will be coming from a variety of sources which will make getting quality optics way more affordable then the current Leuppy/Nightforce type gear.

If you are serious about shooting LR, you will need to reload. That gear has also become really inexpensive.

All told, you rifle and scope can be had for around $1000. The reloading gear another $250 and components whatever you decide to shoot.

Personally, I would lean towards a 223 or 22/250 in a fast twist or a stock Savage in 243. Dirt cheap to shoot and really good LR performance. The larger cals are superb but costs go up in a hurry.

Jerry
 
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