Why is CGN private? What do we gain from this?

I'm guessing that the reason this is a restricted access site is because it works better that way. Oh - one other reason - the owner likes it that way. This isn't a public service.

It's not hard to understand why the forum is the way it is if anyone took the time to think about it.

When trolling and flaming start to go up, advertisers and the serious gun people with actual technical knowledge go away. Without those 2 groups, the site would become worthless. I've seen it happen even on US sites, and this is Canada where the antigun trolls walk freely amongst us.

When I start my own website I'll feel free to organise it any way I want, but in the meantime I'll continue to frequent CGN (for free!) and be happy with what it is.
 
Thank you for taking the time to reply Greentips. Although I disagree, I respect your response. I've shared my thoughts and do not expect more.

After all, it's your house and "When in Rome..." :)
 
I fully agree with having to register, but what I personally don't understand or agree with is why the CGN Ladies sub forum is only for ladies. Now I'm all for female shooters and really wish that more would partake in our hobby, but this seems a little ###ist to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ladies are welcome to read or comment in any sub forum that I visit, unless there's a mens only section that I've missed. Can someone please explain to me why the girls have a secret society that the boys can't visit? I'm sure we can all play nice together and be one big happy forum. I'm not trying to stir up sh*t, but I don't think this is right. Women have fought for years and years to be able to participate in everything that men do and have achieved that goal. So why is it now that the men are being excluded from something?

Derek
 
This thread doesn't pass the sniff test.

:feedTroll:

-M
His question was valid, he is buying and selling guns on here, he is not a first time poster and not an "Anti spy", he just sees it from a different point of view, but more particularly not your point of view, so he must be wrong and up to no good then... right? ... get your sniffer checked.
 
I fully agree with having to register, but what I personally don't understand or agree with is why the CGN Ladies sub forum is only for ladies. Now I'm all for female shooters and really wish that more would partake in our hobby, but this seems a little ###ist to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ladies are welcome to read or comment in any sub forum that I visit, unless there's a mens only section that I've missed. Can someone please explain to me why the girls have a secret society that the boys can't visit? I'm sure we can all play nice together and be one big happy forum. I'm not trying to stir up sh*t, but I don't think this is right. Women have fought for years and years to be able to participate in everything that men do and have achieved that goal. So why is it now that the men are being excluded from something?

Derek

You ever tried to join a women's gym? They're just 'more equal' than us!
 
Doc M- Dense? Not so much. Civil and polite so far, yes. You cannot seem to engage in a conversation without resorting to insults. I hope that is not how you communicate with people when face to face.

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In the end, maybe I am simply 'Making a mountain out of a molehill."

First of all, don't be such a "victim." There are no "pity points" on the internet.

Second, you are definitely 'making a mountain out of a molehill.'

-M
 
i think it should stay private...i looked at it alot before i joined, i got the jist of it without registering. if it wasent private you would for sure get a bunch of people who are anti gun and anti-hunting writing responses about thing they know nothing about other then that they hate it. if it is private it mean you are geting the serious people who are truly intrested :)
 
I fully agree with having to register, but what I personally don't understand or agree with is why the CGN Ladies sub forum is only for ladies. Now I'm all for female shooters and really wish that more would partake in our hobby, but this seems a little ###ist to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ladies are welcome to read or comment in any sub forum that I visit, unless there's a mens only section that I've missed. Can someone please explain to me why the girls have a secret society that the boys can't visit? I'm sure we can all play nice together and be one big happy forum. I'm not trying to stir up sh*t, but I don't think this is right. Women have fought for years and years to be able to participate in everything that men do and have achieved that goal. So why is it now that the men are being excluded from something?

Derek


not that i am trying to speak for the women or stir things up either but look at your girls with guns threads...like you said women fought to be able to participate but in that thread alone most of the women shown are being subjected as ###ual objects... i dont see how having an all women forum is a bad thing and in no way does it have an effect on the right to be equal with men. the CGN ladies forum is not a secret socity either its just girls talking about gun same as boy talk about there guns
 
The CGN ladies forum is not a secret socity either, its just girls talking about guns the same as boys talk about there guns.

Yes, but the only difference is that you can read and even take part in our discussions. Why are men restricted from doing the same with your discussions? Also, regarding the "Girls with Guns" topic, sure it objectifies women, but I don't see anyone saying that the girls can't start their topic of "Guys with Guns". I hope this doesn't come off as rude or an attack towards women. Hell, I love women. I just think this board should treat all its members equally and not discriminate who can view what section. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel. Thanks for your viewpoint though.

Derek
 
CGN is much like Christmas.

Its worked for a long time and a lot of people follow it and observe its rich traditions. Every now and then you can even get something really nice from it.

So with all that going for it, why phuck with it for the sake of someone's malcontent?
 
You've convinced me.

Wow.

Great group of people here. Troll. Sheepdog. Very mature. I guess that is why we have to keep the forums private. People so easily brought to belligerence should not be in a position to educate.

Maybe some of you are the true misanthropes. I remember when CrossFit first put its site up. Very controversial in the beginning (and still is in some ways). Thanks to the forums and ability for anyone to browse and learn, it took the fitness community by storm. Having a secret little club is fine, but having a culture is sublime.

Let the anti's, haters, spammers, trolls, and trouble makers come. Do you not think we could handle them? Do you not think intelligent discussion has the potential to help us better inform people about firearms?

Anyone should be allowed to read the forums freely and learn.The Gazette doesn't have issues allowing people to read its opinions freely- and its opinions to do us no favours.

JimV- I was starting to think I was completely alone on this.

I should also clarify what I mean by 'Private' versus 'Public' as there is a definite misunderstanding.

I do not mean anyone should be able to post freely when I use the term public. I simply mean, as Jim and a few others have recognized, that the forums should be visible without registration- Like every other forum I have ever come across. I don’t understand why they are not and I don’t understand what we gain by being so secretive.

Of course one should have to register to post and contribute- but not to read.

Doc M- Fail? Maybe I did not write clearly enough. Either way, you reinforce my point. With the existence of controlled and biased media, why keep CGN invisible? Again, we gain nothing.

I primarily use this site for information. However, it is difficult to ignore the amount of politics and heated arguments over political issues that occur. There is a whole sub forum dedicated to it. However, as mentioned earlier: What good is preaching to the choir?

I am genuinely surprised by the hostility towards allowing the information shared here to be readily available to the curious.

Doc M- Dense? Not so much. Civil and polite so far, yes. You cannot seem to engage in a conversation without resorting to insults. I hope that is not how you communicate with people when face to face.


Regardless, I will again respond to your statement. Whether CGN is made available to be read without registering or not, the fact remains that those inclined will still continue to misinterpret, misinform, and misquote whatever information they choose. These forms of manipulation continue regardless of what changes may happen here. Furthermore, anyone who does want to use the information on this site for malicious purposes can simply take the few minutes to register and then do so freely (as others have already pointed out). Those who are motivated to demean and prohibit Canada's firearm communities will not be put off by the registration process.

These malcontents are not who you should be worrying about, as there is no protection from them anyway. Making the site viewable does not open us to them; it opens us to those that may not have yet formed an opinion or those (I repeat) who are simply curious. These people will not take the time to register because they are not yet committed. Information is a powerful tool for change. I believe we would gain more supporters if people had the opportunity to browse the forums on impulse and see what a supportive and informative community we have here. What would be wrong with that?

It would appear from reading various posts that most are not happy about Canada’s present anti firearms climate. I, as I’m sure many here, do my best to speak positively about firearms and their use when met by skeptics in the real world. I set an example that firearm owners are regular and responsible people that contribute positively to their community. I grew up in the deep country where firearms were considering tools for survival, not weapons. Everyone had a few and every child who could walk knew how to prove them safe. I share this perspective with those I meet. More often then not because of how I answer their questions I am met with more positive interest. Of course these conversations are rare, but I always take the time when they come about.

I believe CGN could have the same positive influence if it was not invisible to Canadians simply searching for information on the internet. After all, there are many more people exploring the internet at any given moment, than any of us can hope to meet and chat with about firearms in a year.

Regardless of what happens, I will continue to profit from the wealth of information here. I just never understood why the forums were not viewable without registering and I still don’t. I think it is a loss. There are not many (if any other?) firearm websites in Canada. I would think CGN would be proud to take on the responsibility of being a nation’s meeting point and not be afraid of openly revealing itself as the positive community it is.

In the end, maybe I am simply 'Making a mountain out of a molehill."
Of course, I would still appreciate an explanatory answer from one of the moderators or even Greentips himself. So far I feel the majority of responses I have received are founded on paranoia and exclusivity, which I don’t feel are valid answers to the question I posed (or any question for that matter).

CGS- You raise a valid point. However, this forum is sponsored. Only Greentips himself can answer whether the site could handle the added bandwidth.

Thank you for taking the time to reply Greentips. Although I disagree, I respect your response. I've shared my thoughts and do not expect more.

After all, it's your house and "When in Rome..." :)

Wow!

Loquacious and mature, controlled and peaceful, civil and polite, philanthropic and lover of things sublime, and progressive, clearly you have much to contribute to your cause. If only Canada's RFC had such a leader, and a place to blossom, things might be different. So...you should do it.

I am convinced that you should host your own website.

And, having done so and having made us aware of it's existence, I am confident that, we gun nuts - the mean and selfish, short-sighted and small-minded, mercurial little misologists that we are - will even visit your site to learn what you would say there.

:)
 
Wendell - Tone is difficult over the internet. I'll assume your post as genuine and not sarcastic.

As I wrote the posts in this thread the idea of starting my own forum did cross my mind- how could it not? But I have no illusions as to how difficult it must be to maintain and administer an internet forum. Greentips and the Moderators do an excellent job here and have my thanks for providing this space.

I don’t know how they find the time, as my job keeps me very busy.
 
not that i am trying to speak for the women or stir things up either but look at your girls with guns threads...like you said women fought to be able to participate but in that thread alone most of the women shown are being subjected as ###ual objects... i dont see how having an all women forum is a bad thing and in no way does it have an effect on the right to be equal with men. the CGN ladies forum is not a secret socity either its just girls talking about gun same as boy talk about there guns

There doesn't seem to be much happening there. I think that forum has been stuck on 29 threads and 503 posts for months now.

Did you all run out of recipes to talk about? :p


Of course, you know I'm joking, right? ;) I'm glad women here do have a place of their own to gossip. :nest:
 
it helps boost the forum numbers as more people will join who will not necessarily post...

equates to more $$$ from advertisers
 
We keep it private so that the spiders won\'t pick up the content of CGN. It cuts down CGN traffic but from a big picture perspective I think it is good for the firearms community - this allows people to talk more freely.

If this is a openly viewable forum, we will have to tighten up and execute the rules even more vigorously than now.

why on earth wouldnt you want your content more \"google friendly\"? that is how people find you site remember...

see my previous post
 
i think it should stay private...i looked at it alot before i joined, i got the jist of it without registering. if it wasent private you would for sure get a bunch of people who are anti gun and anti-hunting writing responses about thing they know nothing about other then that they hate it. if it is private it mean you are geting the serious people who are truly intrested :)

As noted above, it isn't really private. Anyone can join.

What was there to look at before registering? None of the postings are visible until you register, unless something has changed since I joined.

There are probably a number of anti gun people who view the board and who may even post occasionally. But so what, maybe they'll learn something. If there are any big, dark secrets on this forum they've escaped my notice.

The biggest threat to firearms ownership in this country isn't the vocal "antis" anyway. It's the ignorance and indifference of the general population. Quite different from the States, where firearms have always been an accepted part of the culture. That's why the antis down there are fighting a losing battle, whereas in Canada we're always on the edge of some draconian ban or regulation.
 
I don’t know how they find the time, as my job keeps me very busy.

Anyone can "find the time" if they're properly motivated, have their priorites straight, and aren't afraid of personal sacrifice.....

And Nightmare says it best. Short and sweet.

Paul
 
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