Why is the FAL prohibited?
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it was available as a restricted for a short while for dirt cheap, thru Century arms when they were in quebec.
I had one of their magazine catalogues. Brit L1 for 200, m14 were also 200 i think, etc etc etc etc. I know a few guys from my unit picked them up.
The FN FAL is prohibited because it is "The right arm of the free world". Gun grabbers can't accept freedom or the need to fight to maintain it. They're worried that kind of ideology could be contagious!!
A buddy of mine has two of the Canadian version FN FAL rifles with sequential serial numbers. Right out of the OPP stores when they sold them off. I wish I could own one. They are beautiful rifles.
A buddy of mine has two of the Canadian version FN FAL rifles with sequential serial numbers. Right out of the OPP stores when they sold them off. I wish I could own one. They are beautiful rifles.
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The important takeaway is that the FAL was not singled out in any way. Ninety guns were declared prohibited on the same day, the FAL was just one of the them. Some were 7.62mm, but many were not. Some could use something like a matchstick trick, but most could not. Some were readily available as surplus, but many weren't. The only thing they had in common was they were guns that the banners could propagandize were scary. That's the reason, and the only reason.
Tried to read through all the posts and got tired doing so. For those that really know the FAL, it was made to be select fire from day one. Semi and full auto.
The C1A1 was and the C2A1 were basically the same with the obvious exceptions of heavy barrel and bipod. The change lever/safety/selector or whatever you want to call it
on the C1 had a tail to prevent it from going into the auto position and was also not cut with the deeper sear flat spot that allowed the trigger sear to move up to allow full auto.
All the detente stops for the change lever were present for safe, semi and auto.
The trigger return plunger was also a tad longer to limit the trigger movement to the rear. So the FAL was likely prohibited because it was a full auto rifle that was limited to semi.
I myself didn't use the match stick trick, I used a piece of para cord that could easily be removed. Not going to say how, if you know you know, if not too bad.
It is a criminal shame that we cannot have one of the most iconic rifles, other than the Lee Enfield that the Canadians have ever used. Even more of a shame that the rifle was licenced and made in Canada.
7L4907 was the last FN C1A1 I had when I left the reserves just as the new rifle were being brought in.
The C1A1 was and the C2A1 were basically the same with the obvious exceptions of heavy barrel and bipod. The change lever/safety/selector or whatever you want to call it
on the C1 had a tail to prevent it from going into the auto position and was also not cut with the deeper sear flat spot that allowed the trigger sear to move up to allow full auto.
All the detente stops for the change lever were present for safe, semi and auto.
The trigger return plunger was also a tad longer to limit the trigger movement to the rear. So the FAL was likely prohibited because it was a full auto rifle that was limited to semi.
I myself didn't use the match stick trick, I used a piece of para cord that could easily be removed. Not going to say how, if you know you know, if not too bad.
It is a criminal shame that we cannot have one of the most iconic rifles, other than the Lee Enfield that the Canadians have ever used. Even more of a shame that the rifle was licenced and made in Canada.
7L4907 was the last FN C1A1 I had when I left the reserves just as the new rifle were being brought in.
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JHFC this is frustrating.
The entire point of my post, right above yours, is to refute the crap I have just quoted from you, which is the same crap a couple of others have posted throughout this thread.
On November 29, 1994 the Liberal government passed an Order in Coucil prohibiting dozens of semi-automatic, centrefire rifles. The FN-FAL was included as follows, note that most of these variants listed were manufactured as semi-auto only: the receiver and trigger arrangements you describe in your post do not exist in these models, yet they were banned:
(k) the firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL
(FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version thereof, including
the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL
(FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper
308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63;
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield
Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version thereof,
including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and
SAR-48 Model 22; and
Close to one hundred different firearms were banned that day, by the same order. It's ridiculous to think that independant reasons were found for the banning of all these separate models, in the same order, on the same day. Do you really think these bureacratic twits went down the list and went "this one is too easy to make auto; this one has too much cheap ammo available; that one is about to be surplussed by Brazil, making them available in huge quantity: they all have to go." It's silly to even speculate. Clearly to ban all these guns, on one day, with one OIC, they all had something in common, one common element that allowed them all to be lumped together, and this stupid auto conversion thing people keep harping was most emphatically not it.
Not to mention that if, as per your post, the government viewed the FAL as a full auto that was limited to semi it was already prohibited, courtesy legislation passed two years earlier by the Kim Campbell Conservatives. Why waste time prohibiting a gun that was already prohibited?
You are spreading falsehoods. Give your head a shake.
And to add insult to injury, those of us who, like me, are permitted to own FNs, are not permitted to shoot them anymore. Yes, you can shoot them at a military range, but who has access to that? I don't. But you can still hunt with a BAR .308 for example, go figure.
The idea that it was because of ease of full auto conversion is a myth that needs to die. I wish people who have no idea what they are talking about would stop parroting it.
On January 1, 1995 the following guns were declared prohibited by a regulatory order:
The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:
(a) AK-74;
(b) AK Hunter;
(c) AKM;
(d) AKM-63;
(e) AKS-56S;
(f) AKS-56S-1;
(g) AKS-56S-2;
(h) AKS-74;
(i) AKS-84S-1;
(j) AMD-65;
(k) AR Model .223;
(l) Dragunov;
(m) Galil;
KKMPi69;
(o) M60;
(p) M62;
(q) M70B1;
(r) M70AB2;
(s) M76;
(t) M77B1;
(u) M78;
(v) M80;
(w) M80A;
(x) MAK90;
(z) MPiKM;
(z.1) MPiKMS-72;
(z.2) MPiKS;
(z.3) PKM;
(z.4) PKM-DGN-60;
(z.5) PMKM;
(z.6) RPK;
(z.7) RPK-74;
(z.8) RPK-87S;
(z.9) Type 56;
(z.10) Type 56-1;
(z.11) Type 56-2;
(z.12) Type 56-3;
(z.13) Type 56-4;
(z.14) Type 68;
(z.15) Type 79;
(z.16) American Arms AKY39;
(z.17) American Arms AKF39;
(z.18) American Arms AKC47;
(z.19) American Arms AKF47;
(z.20) MAM70WS762;
(z.21) MAM70FS762;
(z.22) Mitchell AK-22;
(z.23) Mitchell AK-47;
(z.24) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AK-47;
(z.25) Norinco 84S;
(z.26) Norinco 84S AK;
(z.27) Norinco 56;
(z.28) Norinco 56-1;
(z.29) Norinco 56-2;
(z.30) Norinco 56-3;
(z.31) Norinco 56-4;
(z.32) Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S;
(z.33) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-47/S;
(z.34) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-762;
(z.35) Valmet M76;
(z.36) Valmet M76 carbine;
(z.37) Valmet M78/A2;
(z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;
(z.39) Valmet M82; and
(z.40) Valmet M82 Bullpup.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta AR70 assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including:
the Beretta
BM 59,
BM 59R,
BM 59GL,
BM 59D,
BM 59 Mk E,
BM 59 Mk I,
BM 59 Mk Ital,
BM 59 Mk II,
BM 59 Mk III,
BM 59 Mk Ital TA,
BM 59 Mk Ital Para,
BM 59 Mk Ital TP, and
BM 60CB; and
the Springfield Armory
BM 59 Alpine,
BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper, and
BM 59 Nigerian Mk IV.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Cetme Sport Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Daewoo K1 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Daewoo K1A1, K2, Max 1, Max 2, AR-100, AR 110C, MAXI-II and KC-20.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Demro TAC-1M carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Demro XF-7 Wasp Carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Eagle Apache Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FNC rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FNC Auto Rifle, FNC Auto Paratrooper, FNC-11, FNC-22 and FNC-33.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK 91;
HK 91A2;
HK 91A3;
HK G3 A3;
HK G3 A3 ZF;
HK G3 A4;
HK G3 SG/1; and
HK PSG1.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Galil assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AP-84, Galil ARM, Galil AR, Galil SAR, Galil 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 Auto Rifle.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch HK 33 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
HK 33A2;
HK 33A3;
HK 33KA1;
HK 93;
HK 93A2; and
HK 93A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark Series Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK MP5;
HK MP5A2;
HK MP5A3;
HK MP5K;
HK MP5SD;
HK MP5SD1;
HK MP5SD2;
HK MP5SD3;
HK 94;
HK 94A2; and,
HK 94A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the PE57 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the SIG AMT rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and SAR-48 Model 22.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Thompson submachine gun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
Thompson Model 1921;
Thompson Model 1927;
Thompson Model 1928;
Thompson Model M1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1 Deluxe;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-3;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-5;
Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1;
Commando Arms Mk I;
Commando Arms Mk II;
Commando Arms Mk III;
Commando Arms Mk 9; and,
Commando Arms Mk 45
What should be obvious is that the FAL was in no way singled out. The government prohibited every semi-automatic, detachable mag centrefire rifle that came standard with a pistol grip, except the AR-15. They did it because they wanted to prohibit as many guns as they could (and probably all of them ultimately), and the government and media had managed to whip popular opinion to a strong stance against "assault weapons". Then they came up with a definition of "assualt weapon" as basically any semi-auto centrefire rifle with a pistol grip. Lobbying by the Dominion Rifle Canada group managed to get the AR-15 removed from the list, but everything else went away.
Anything you can buy now that meets the definition is available only because it came into the market after the 1995 ban, as the list was never updated.
This post should be a sticky!
Sure it would! ..perhaps you have forgotten where your cheek had to be in order to get a sight picture through the aperature. Fwiw I tried reg and long (there were no extra long as far as anyone saw.although apparently available) there were some short around as well. Long was ok unless I was wearing webbing and liner with the combat jacket. LOP had nothing to do with punishment that the rifle inflicted on my (and many other shooters) cheek...it was the bs hump and height of the rear aperature disc that contributed to the unpleasantness. Personally I don't miss the FNC1 and very much enjoy the M305 despite the fact that it has no provision for gas adjustment OR balancing!
As for other attributes...I don't recall anyone extolling the sniping potential of the C1 either....but time seems to blur a lot of memories.....let me tell you how beautiful my first girlfriend was as well sometime!!!!
To add: speaking of bad memory I had forgotten how dramatically shooting results went up in LFCA following the roll-out of SARP....
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