Conservatives, believe it or not,
originally came up with a point system based on that, but that was discarded further in the process.Grizz
Why is the FAL prohibited?
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Conservatives, believe it or not,
originally came up with a point system based on that, but that was discarded further in the process.Grizz
Hey, give somebody a few hunks of metal and a file, plus enough time, he can build a machine gun.
Grizz
ipscgraz
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I was told by a LEO who was somehow attached to E division that the concern was that the terrorist group of the day was planning on an armed attack on their home country in an armed fight for regional independence. Dunno how true...
It should be mentioned here that "match sticking" with a remilled or cut receiver can result in "follower fire" and an out of battery detonation. It was fun but don't do it with a commercially acquired or surplus trifle.
It should be mentioned here that "match sticking" with a remilled or cut receiver can result in "follower fire" and an out of battery detonation. It was fun but don't do it with a commercially acquired or surplus trifle.
They were very popular with the IRA also. Bad publicity there.
It's a shame. I'd love to have one, just because I'm a history geek and they're "the right arm of the free world." In a better Canada there would be one, fully functional, with a non-neutered mag, hanging on my wall. Along with it's opposition, the AK.
It's a shame. I'd love to have one, just because I'm a history geek and they're "the right arm of the free world." In a better Canada there would be one, fully functional, with a non-neutered mag, hanging on my wall. Along with it's opposition, the AK.
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The idea that it was because of ease of full auto conversion is a myth that needs to die. I wish people who have no idea what they are talking about would stop parroting it.
On January 1, 1995 the following guns were declared prohibited by a regulatory order:
The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:
(a) AK-74;
(b) AK Hunter;
(c) AKM;
(d) AKM-63;
(e) AKS-56S;
(f) AKS-56S-1;
(g) AKS-56S-2;
(h) AKS-74;
(i) AKS-84S-1;
(j) AMD-65;
(k) AR Model .223;
(l) Dragunov;
(m) Galil;
KKMPi69;
(o) M60;
(p) M62;
(q) M70B1;
(r) M70AB2;
(s) M76;
(t) M77B1;
(u) M78;
(v) M80;
(w) M80A;
(x) MAK90;
MPiK;
(z) MPiKM;
(z.1) MPiKMS-72;
(z.2) MPiKS;
(z.3) PKM;
(z.4) PKM-DGN-60;
(z.5) PMKM;
(z.6) RPK;
(z.7) RPK-74;
(z.8) RPK-87S;
(z.9) Type 56;
(z.10) Type 56-1;
(z.11) Type 56-2;
(z.12) Type 56-3;
(z.13) Type 56-4;
(z.14) Type 68;
(z.15) Type 79;
(z.16) American Arms AKY39;
(z.17) American Arms AKF39;
(z.18) American Arms AKC47;
(z.19) American Arms AKF47;
(z.20) MAM70WS762;
(z.21) MAM70FS762;
(z.22) Mitchell AK-22;
(z.23) Mitchell AK-47;
(z.24) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AK-47;
(z.25) Norinco 84S;
(z.26) Norinco 84S AK;
(z.27) Norinco 56;
(z.28) Norinco 56-1;
(z.29) Norinco 56-2;
(z.30) Norinco 56-3;
(z.31) Norinco 56-4;
(z.32) Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S;
(z.33) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-47/S;
(z.34) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-762;
(z.35) Valmet M76;
(z.36) Valmet M76 carbine;
(z.37) Valmet M78/A2;
(z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;
(z.39) Valmet M82; and
(z.40) Valmet M82 Bullpup.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta AR70 assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including:
the Beretta
BM 59,
BM 59R,
BM 59GL,
BM 59D,
BM 59 Mk E,
BM 59 Mk I,
BM 59 Mk Ital,
BM 59 Mk II,
BM 59 Mk III,
BM 59 Mk Ital TA,
BM 59 Mk Ital Para,
BM 59 Mk Ital TP, and
BM 60CB; and
the Springfield Armory
BM 59 Alpine,
BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper, and
BM 59 Nigerian Mk IV.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Cetme Sport Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Daewoo K1 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Daewoo K1A1, K2, Max 1, Max 2, AR-100, AR 110C, MAXI-II and KC-20.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Demro TAC-1M carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Demro XF-7 Wasp Carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Eagle Apache Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FNC rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FNC Auto Rifle, FNC Auto Paratrooper, FNC-11, FNC-22 and FNC-33.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK 91;
HK 91A2;
HK 91A3;
HK G3 A3;
HK G3 A3 ZF;
HK G3 A4;
HK G3 SG/1; and
HK PSG1.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Galil assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AP-84, Galil ARM, Galil AR, Galil SAR, Galil 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 Auto Rifle.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch HK 33 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
HK 33A2;
HK 33A3;
HK 33KA1;
HK 93;
HK 93A2; and
HK 93A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark Series Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK MP5;
HK MP5A2;
HK MP5A3;
HK MP5K;
HK MP5SD;
HK MP5SD1;
HK MP5SD2;
HK MP5SD3;
HK 94;
HK 94A2; and,
HK 94A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the PE57 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the SIG AMT rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and SAR-48 Model 22.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Thompson submachine gun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
Thompson Model 1921;
Thompson Model 1927;
Thompson Model 1928;
Thompson Model M1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1 Deluxe;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-3;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-5;
Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1;
Commando Arms Mk I;
Commando Arms Mk II;
Commando Arms Mk III;
Commando Arms Mk 9; and,
Commando Arms Mk 45
What should be obvious is that the FAL was in no way singled out. The government prohibited every semi-automatic, detachable mag centrefire rifle that came standard with a pistol grip, except the AR-15. They did it because they wanted to prohibit as many guns as they could (and probably all of them ultimately), and the government and media had managed to whip popular opinion to a strong stance against "assault weapons". Then they came up with a definition of "assualt weapon" as basically any semi-auto centrefire rifle with a pistol grip. Lobbying by the Dominion Rifle Canada group managed to get the AR-15 removed from the list, but everything else went away.
Anything you can buy now that meets the definition is available only because it came into the market after the 1995 ban, as the list was never updated.
On January 1, 1995 the following guns were declared prohibited by a regulatory order:
The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:
(a) AK-74;
(b) AK Hunter;
(c) AKM;
(d) AKM-63;
(e) AKS-56S;
(f) AKS-56S-1;
(g) AKS-56S-2;
(h) AKS-74;
(i) AKS-84S-1;
(j) AMD-65;
(k) AR Model .223;
(l) Dragunov;
(m) Galil;
KKMPi69;(o) M60;
(p) M62;
(q) M70B1;
(r) M70AB2;
(s) M76;
(t) M77B1;
(u) M78;
(v) M80;
(w) M80A;
(x) MAK90;
MPiK;(z) MPiKM;
(z.1) MPiKMS-72;
(z.2) MPiKS;
(z.3) PKM;
(z.4) PKM-DGN-60;
(z.5) PMKM;
(z.6) RPK;
(z.7) RPK-74;
(z.8) RPK-87S;
(z.9) Type 56;
(z.10) Type 56-1;
(z.11) Type 56-2;
(z.12) Type 56-3;
(z.13) Type 56-4;
(z.14) Type 68;
(z.15) Type 79;
(z.16) American Arms AKY39;
(z.17) American Arms AKF39;
(z.18) American Arms AKC47;
(z.19) American Arms AKF47;
(z.20) MAM70WS762;
(z.21) MAM70FS762;
(z.22) Mitchell AK-22;
(z.23) Mitchell AK-47;
(z.24) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AK-47;
(z.25) Norinco 84S;
(z.26) Norinco 84S AK;
(z.27) Norinco 56;
(z.28) Norinco 56-1;
(z.29) Norinco 56-2;
(z.30) Norinco 56-3;
(z.31) Norinco 56-4;
(z.32) Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S;
(z.33) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-47/S;
(z.34) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-762;
(z.35) Valmet M76;
(z.36) Valmet M76 carbine;
(z.37) Valmet M78/A2;
(z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;
(z.39) Valmet M82; and
(z.40) Valmet M82 Bullpup.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta AR70 assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including:
the Beretta
BM 59,
BM 59R,
BM 59GL,
BM 59D,
BM 59 Mk E,
BM 59 Mk I,
BM 59 Mk Ital,
BM 59 Mk II,
BM 59 Mk III,
BM 59 Mk Ital TA,
BM 59 Mk Ital Para,
BM 59 Mk Ital TP, and
BM 60CB; and
the Springfield Armory
BM 59 Alpine,
BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper, and
BM 59 Nigerian Mk IV.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Cetme Sport Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Daewoo K1 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Daewoo K1A1, K2, Max 1, Max 2, AR-100, AR 110C, MAXI-II and KC-20.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Demro TAC-1M carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Demro XF-7 Wasp Carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Eagle Apache Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FNC rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FNC Auto Rifle, FNC Auto Paratrooper, FNC-11, FNC-22 and FNC-33.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK 91;
HK 91A2;
HK 91A3;
HK G3 A3;
HK G3 A3 ZF;
HK G3 A4;
HK G3 SG/1; and
HK PSG1.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Galil assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AP-84, Galil ARM, Galil AR, Galil SAR, Galil 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 Auto Rifle.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch HK 33 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
HK 33A2;
HK 33A3;
HK 33KA1;
HK 93;
HK 93A2; and
HK 93A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark Series Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Heckler and Koch:
HK MP5;
HK MP5A2;
HK MP5A3;
HK MP5K;
HK MP5SD;
HK MP5SD1;
HK MP5SD2;
HK MP5SD3;
HK 94;
HK 94A2; and,
HK 94A3.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the PE57 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the SIG AMT rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and SAR-48 Model 22.
The firearm of the design commonly known as the Thompson submachine gun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
Thompson Model 1921;
Thompson Model 1927;
Thompson Model 1928;
Thompson Model M1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1;
Auto-Ordnance M27A-1 Deluxe;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-3;
Auto-Ordnance M1927A-5;
Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1;
Commando Arms Mk I;
Commando Arms Mk II;
Commando Arms Mk III;
Commando Arms Mk 9; and,
Commando Arms Mk 45
What should be obvious is that the FAL was in no way singled out. The government prohibited every semi-automatic, detachable mag centrefire rifle that came standard with a pistol grip, except the AR-15. They did it because they wanted to prohibit as many guns as they could (and probably all of them ultimately), and the government and media had managed to whip popular opinion to a strong stance against "assault weapons". Then they came up with a definition of "assualt weapon" as basically any semi-auto centrefire rifle with a pistol grip. Lobbying by the Dominion Rifle Canada group managed to get the AR-15 removed from the list, but everything else went away.
Anything you can buy now that meets the definition is available only because it came into the market after the 1995 ban, as the list was never updated.
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Yeah, same with 30rd ARs and my 20rd G3. That's why I will never vote liberal.
freekshow001
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So if there was no reason other than just because they wanted to get as many guns out of the hands of civilians as possible, than why can't we as canadian citizens demand they reevaluate and update the prohibited list. To me "just because" isn't a valid reason and its just flat out wrong. I know that petitions don't work, so who do i have to go talk to in order to make something happen here? Like whats next, they want to prohibit ford mustangs so cops can catch bad guys easier? Is this a dictatorship or don't we have say in the matter
GunsNotPuns
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You are in luck my lad, on October 20 if either/or both the NDP and Liberals form the next government you will get your wish.
As much as I would love to have my old FN C1A1 in my hands -- or a reasonable facsimile courtesy of the fine folks at Fabrique Nationale -- kicking the hornet's nest of the prohibited firearms list is only going to end badly for us. The NDP and Liberals are only going to expand it and I have little faith that the Conservatives want to die on the hill of moving firearms off the prohibited list for the vanishingly small number that owns them or the firestorm that would come from adding new owners.
Of course it was done just because they wanted to, but you can easily use the excuse that it was easily convertible, which they will use and "prove" it as the reason that they banned it. In theory It isn't a difficult toy to convert, regardless of it's uselessness in full auto. Examples of Guns that would be better examples to use would be a SPAS 12 or calico rifle. I'd like to see their excuse for those two, other than terminator and total recall footage.
what is you definition of easy?
easy for me is walking my dog around the park on a nice warm sunny spring day.
if it doesnt match that kind of easy! then its not easily done.
As I heard it at the time, Liberal cabinet minister Alan Rock put his finger on a photo of an FN-FAL and said "I don't want them to have those!" and that became law. Seriously, that's what happened. Civilian versions of the AR15 and the HK47 were banned at the same time or shortly thereafter, same thought process.
There is absolutely NO reason that ANY semi-auto only firearm should be prohibited from civilian ownership.
Allan Rock and the Lieberals of the day were (and probably still are) scared to death that arms in civilian hands mean that the peons (us) could one day rise against their overlords - the "natural governing party of Canada "
Allan Rock and the Lieberals of the day were (and probably still are) scared to death that arms in civilian hands mean that the peons (us) could one day rise against their overlords - the "natural governing party of Canada "
Slowly, but surely. We used to have a ball with our semi FN's. Also, the ban provides a target for the gloaters to point and snicker at those of us who own them.
Hardly any of the "gun control" laws or regulations make much sense to those of us who own and use firearms. Anti-gun people can lord it over us, and these stupid rules allow them to feel superior. A typical left wing attitiude. A shooting occurs and they can be observed pushing each other off the graves, dancing their mindless blather.
Hardly any of the "gun control" laws or regulations make much sense to those of us who own and use firearms. Anti-gun people can lord it over us, and these stupid rules allow them to feel superior. A typical left wing attitiude. A shooting occurs and they can be observed pushing each other off the graves, dancing their mindless blather.
When the first L1 A1s arrived many had the safety sear removed and the carrier was altered so if you did install a safety sear it was useless.
The military at first didn't tighten down on their parts so C1 safety sear and carriers were being installed in L1 A1s.
When the inch pattern FNs arrived they started to clamp down on parts accountability.
The only difference in a C1 and a C2 internals are the selector and the length of the plunger in the trigger mechanism.
The guys in militia and reg force used a match stick to fire off a mag in full auto the stick replaced the short plunger in the C2.
The military at first didn't tighten down on their parts so C1 safety sear and carriers were being installed in L1 A1s.
When the inch pattern FNs arrived they started to clamp down on parts accountability.
The only difference in a C1 and a C2 internals are the selector and the length of the plunger in the trigger mechanism.
The guys in militia and reg force used a match stick to fire off a mag in full auto the stick replaced the short plunger in the C2.
The only difference in a C1 and a C2 internals are the selector and the length of the plunger in the trigger mechanism.
Well, not quite, seems to me there was a case where a guy was charged, because he had a receiver that was labelled C2, a "fully automatic" firearm. Shows you just how stupid laws can be.
Grizz
Well, not quite, seems to me there was a case where a guy was charged, because he had a receiver that was labelled C2, a "fully automatic" firearm. Shows you just how stupid laws can be.
Grizz
