We've lost full grown bulls to magpies. A 3 year old bull is a good sized animal but a large amount of tiny birds can and will kill them.
Why people hate wolves.
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We've lost full grown bulls to magpies. A 3 year old bull is a good sized animal but a large amount of tiny birds can and will kill them.
Yeah, because what you'll find here are people with diverse backgrounds and intellectual curiosity. Rather than those to just simply accept whatever the experts tell them to accept as truth.
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Amen.
There's also lots of us that call BS that some "experts" are expert at anything.
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I don't think it is fair to imply that you have lots of deer, in part anyways, because of the high proportion of native people. There used to be brown bear on Haida Gwaii. There used to be caribou on Haida Gwaii. There used to be mule deer on Haida Gwaii. It wasn't non-native populations that drove those animals to extinction.
Sitka deer were introduced to Haida Gwaii in 1878 and I agree that ideal habitat, very little access to humans and no predators will equal large populations. There are also downsides to this: stunted growth, habitat destruction (flora, insects, birds) and so forth.
There really needs to be a balance and humans ARE part of the solution. Native people used to engage in denning - finding wolf dens and killing all but one pup. They did that I believe, because they understood that some predators were important in the ecosystem but too many were bad. We don't want huge swings in predator and prey populations, with decades between peaks and troughs in the population.
Exactly. It is too late to pretend that humans are not part of the balanced equation, and therefore, they need to be part of the solution. This is where the 'save the wolves' and 'kill em all' groups are BOTH out of touch.
At the end of the day, predator populations need to be managed just as much as the ungulate/prey populations. It would be foolhardy to pretend that you can ignore a critical element of the dynamic and expect the same desired results.
I think this touches on a big difference between environmentalist warriors and conservation minded hunters. Both groups fundamentally want the same thing: a healthy environment that has healthy, stable amounts of wildlife. The environmentalist types seem out of touch with nature, they don't see themselves as PART of nature anymore - they are on the outside. The conservation minded hunter is deeply involved with nature and sees him/herself as part of nature with a direct role to play.
Not sure exactly what happened to the Caribou I know the last ones were killed by BC fish and wildlife and put in the museum in Victoria
Haida are responsible for wiping out the sea otter on the BC coast and up on Alaska Russian trade ships would hire Haida hunters to travel up and down the coast with the Russian ships hunting otter
There was never a brown bears or deer and elk BC fishing wildlife introduce a few different types of deer including Australian red deer the only ones that really Took off was the Sitka and sum hippie cows every once in a while someone will get a red deer i've only seen one but at the time I wasn't hunting extremely rare
Take a look at the museum in Skidigate. Research in 2005 confirmed the remains from Haida Gwaii were from Brown Bears.
Not trying to argue, just disagree with the implication in the first part of your post, that's all. There is PLENTY of blame to go around, regardless of background, race etc. But those types of implications and arguments will not help us like-minded folk come together to do the right thing - for ALL of us.
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the spank
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Haida Gwaii is not far from Alaska it was a grate ceremony wen a bear was killed
The bear would be carried into the long house and sat beside the chief of the longhouse and offered food lots of singing and dancing probly the Brown bear was taken in Alaska and brought back to Haida Gwaii for ceremony
Plus you have to realize tha Haidas are directly related to the reindeer people From Siberia and moved to Haida Gwaii in the first migration by canoe befor the ice Age ( raven clan ) my famly came much later as I'm eagle clan wich came much later
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Chuckbuster
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Wolves are no different than any other wild animal or fish in a lake. If we as humans that now control game populations through observation and conservation (which by the way is something that I think all serious hunters and fisherman are in agreement about) there is a need to control certain species of wild game. Alberta sent what? forty captured wolves down to Yellowstone park as a present about fifteen years ago with good intensions and now they are 300 strong and have left that park a few years ago to hit those ranchers outside of the park boundaries going after easy targets like cattle and sheep. My message is simple in Alberta anyways if you see them, Shoot em on site any day any time anywhere. They are out of control in northern alberta. Period. They are a high priority threat to not only our caribou populations but also our deer and elk populations. SHOOT EM ALL, EVERYONE YOU SEE, AND DON'T STOP SHOOTING TILL YOUR CLIP IS EMPTY. Boy I hope that I don't get in trouble for this post but this is very important to REAL CONSERVATIONISTS who love those animals who are directly affected by the Timber Wolfe
Conservation wise you're right
Especially caribou are very high risk in Alberta and need protection which translate to hunting predators and keeping there numbers down but that's not hate just Commonsense
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Where, and roughly when, did the eagle clan come from??
