Why the hell do people hunt with semi auto rifles??

todbartell said:
Seems like half the time somebody brings a gun into the store I work in, its a Remington 742 or 7400

jams, accuracy problems, etc etc

Lucky me on my day off I get to take a 7400 to the range and see why it won't shoot accurate. :popCorn: First off it was extremely fouled with copper and carbon. Got most of that out with WipeOut so now its range time to see if what it will do on paper.

I like Remingtons but not these things! :puke:
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After almost ten years of the same crap I sympathize... they are a pain in the ass to disassemble and they all seem to need a complete strip down and cleaning... many times springs and drift pins are rusted solid... only thing I hate worse is a Nylon 66.;)

When you are all done the best of them will likely only give 3 MOA:puke:
 
redmist25 said:
Biggest problem with semi's and pumps is that people don't clean out the chambers. They clean from the muzzle end and push all the crap into the chamber and then leave it there to corrode and foul up there. It's amazing how much better they operate after you take em down and give them a good cleaning. You gotta love those 6 lb creepy triggers too! I'll fix em, but I won't own one!
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Sloppy preventive mainentence + idiotic expectations =FAILURE!!!!!!!
 
Funny how semi autos are used for hunting all over the world and with great success, yet for some reason here in Canada some folks simply cannot handle the learning curve to learn how to shoot one, or to learn how to clean one properly...yah it must be the rifles fault. :rolleyes:
 
well with 3 different types of factory ammo the best group was 1.5" 3 shot, most of the others ranges from 1.75-3.5"(counting flyers). The gun is certainly "hunting accurate" out to 250 yards or so. Maybe the owner just cant shoot well as I found it to shoot well enough. It was prone to throwing flyers, but for a semi auto rifle that probably isnt out of the ordinary. Sadly this one didnt have see-thru mounts, it had a Bushnell Elite in burris rings :eek: :D

my opinion on them hasnt changed much ;)

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todbartell said:
the guns are s**t IMO

unreliable crap
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Wow Tod, seems in your first post, you hit the nail on the head...

How is it a guns fault if the operator doesnt care for it properly?


HOw many rounds did you put through it... any FTF's? Any hiccups? WOw, 1.5 inch 3 shot groups with factory ammo, definately not worth carrying...


Hasnt changed much, but seems to have changed a bit... ;)
 
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A friend of mine seems to be able to shoot these and is impressed by the accuracy. To be blunt his shooting career will out shoot anyone on this board or in this country and most if not all in this world, but I still like a bolt!
 
DarrylDB said:
How is it a guns fault if the operator doesnt care for it properly?
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its not the guns fault but semis are more prone to problems directed to lack of maintenance. If your gun is a Pain in the ass to maintain then it usually doesnt get done as well as it should. But you're right, that is not the problem of the gun. Lazy slob semi auto owners! :p
 
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I have hunted with a semi-auto Remington 30-06 model 742 for over 30 years and have never had a problem with it. It does not like to fuction well with bullet weights over 150grain but thats all I use and have put down a lot of Moose, Deer and Bear with it. rigrat
 
todbartell said:
its not the guns fault but semis are more prone to problems directed to lack of maintenance. If your gun is a Pain in the ass to maintain then it usually doesnt get done as well as it should. But you're right, that is not the problem of the gun. Lazy slob semi auto owners! :p
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I am, and Im proud... But not too lazy to clean a rifle :)

Like anything, there are plus' and minuses. A semi's recoil is much more manageable than a boltgun recoil regardless of weight. To someone recoil sensitive, this is a definate weighing factor. I would sure use it in a defence situation, because I can clear a jam in most cases faster than most can cycle a bolt... FTF's can happen with every rifle. Its important for people to look at worst case scenario's, and look for ways to minimize them.
Hunting IMHO, should be no difference than defensive pistol shooting, or rifle shooting. In both situations, clearing a jam could save your life.
BTW, lever guns jam too. ;)
 
I'm not a fan of the Remington 7400 and its predecessors. However, if properly maintained it, it can and will be reliable. If neglected, its going to be a POS jamm-o-matic. If you're too lazy or too stupid to learn how to properly clean and maintain your rifle, you should probably stick with hinge break, single shot rifles. As for their accuracy. I've seen some that are MOA rifles with premium factory ammo, others offered 1.5-3" groups at 100 yards. Certainly not benchrest material, but definitely Minute-of-Moose or Caribou!

Crapping on a particular style of action is self-defeating for all of us gun owners...there are no "bad" guns and we need to stop asking questions like why does anybody need a semi-auto, etc...? The same questions were asked about AK-47s, most HK rifles/carbines, FN-Fals and all handguns with a barrel less than 106mm.
 
Those remington auto loaders never struck my eye, but I love shooting deer with my Garand and look forward to using my M14 too.

Never had to shoot any more or any less accurately than I woulda with a bolt gun cause the irons on the Garand just whup ass. I feel really comfy with them and If I don't figure I am gonna hit it I don't pull a trigger.

Reliability wise it's only given me trouble after 60-80 rounds in competition. Never while hunting.

Then again I love flintlocks and percussions for hunting too...And bolts...And my Marlin and Winchester lever guns...

Heck I guess I just love guns. :dancingbanana:

People can think what they think, that's cool. Me and my Garand are still gonna be shootin deer.
 
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My hunting guns are strictly bolts but I love my m305. Shoots under 2" with ball and open sights and never any kind of failure. A BAR in .458 would be kind of cool too.
 
Somebody said that pumps and semi's are favoured for a quick follow up shot. I and probably most well practised shooters can cycle the 2nd round through a bolt gun in a fraction of a second, besides...make the first shot count as it should, and a second round is just for good measures. These guns shoot what.....BOB MOA??? (Broadside Of a Barn
 
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