Why the muzzle brake hatred?

I just finished reading all the posts, and the one thing that is very apparent is that very few of you have identified any issues with a muzzle brake. But 98% of you have commented (complained) that you have issues with muzzle brakes AT THE RANGE. As this is a hunting forum and not a range etiqutte forum, I fail to see the connection between the to.
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Where do you suppose that people take their "Hunting" riflers to sight in and practice with?

Downside to brakes they are noisy. Depending on what you read the increase in db can be between 5-10 db or 10% increase. hearing protection should be worn when shooting rifles with brakes, even in the field.
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Obviously you have zero comprehension of the decibel scale.

You don't realize that an increase of 10db increases the sound intensity by 10 times, not 10% as you have posted. It looks like you need to do some reading,so a link is posted below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

To Stubblejumper if you are a range executive i am a little suprised by your comments. your position about brakes being a problem is miss directed and worrisome, it never the equipment that is the problem but the people using the equipment
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Which is exactly what I posted. However, we don't have full time RSOs at our range on a full time basis, so if we can't get people to behave responsibly with brakes, the only option may be to get rid of the brakes. The onus is on the owners of guns equipped with brakes, to use them responsibly, or risk having them banned.
 
Where do you suppose that people take their "Hunting" riflers to sight in and practice with?

That wasn't the question the ops possed. People can shoot anywhere they wish

Obviously you have zero comprehension of the decibel scale.

You don't realize that an increase of 10db increases the sound intensity by 10 times, not 10% as you have posted. It looks like you need to do some reading,so a link is posted below.

"zero" comprehension would imply none. I am aware of the effects of hearing and db levels... however you misinterepted my writing 5-10db is not 10% of gun reports the average decible level is closer to 135db people are reporting 10% increase from that total or an increase of 13db, hell some report as high as 160dband i think this was covered off by suggesting to the ops to use hearing protection even in the field

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel



Which is exactly what I posted. However, we don't have full time RSOs at our range on a full time basis, so if we can't get people to behave responsibly with brakes, the only option may be to get rid of the brakes. The onus is on the owners of guns equipped with brakes, to use them responsibly, or risk having them banned.[/QUOTE]

Our club doesn't have full time RSO either we are supposed to manage ourselves. So manage yourself. Why ban something when you can just as easily control your membership. But this is far outside what the ops was asking if you want to continue this further please feel free to PM me.

Take care
Trevor
 
hell some report as high as 160dband i think this was covered off by suggesting to the ops to use hearing protection even in the field
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The electronic hearing protection suggested to be worn in the field by some people, generally are rated at less than 30db, so they do not provide adequate hearing protection with a braked rifle. In fact, even a combination of muffs and plugs usually only amount to about 60db of protection, which isn't adequate protection for a braked gun that generates 160db.

But this is far outside what the ops was asking if you want to continue this further please feel free to PM me.
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The OP asked"why the muzzle braked hatred" and the noise, and the disturbance to other shooters at the range is why many people hate muzzle brakes.
 
stubblejumper said:
The electronic hearing protection suggested to be worn in the field by some people, generally are rated at less than 30db, so they do not provide adequate hearing protection with a braked rifle. In fact, even a combination of muffs and plugs usually only amount to about 60db of protection, which isn't adequate protection for a braked gun that generates 160db.

The OP asked"why the muzzle braked hatred" and the noise, and the disturbance to other shooters at the range is why many people hate muzzle brakes.
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A braked gun will probably be the same report except the noise is directed far more to the side and rear. The average .223 will have a report of 155db. A 9mm pistol is around 160db. Heavy calibre a can be 170 plus. At the shooter you're probably 140 db unbraked.

Contrary to popular belief double plugging does not double your protection. At best it may give you 5db more than the max of one type of hearing protection. For example 30nrr muffs plus plugs would be 35 total NRR. So shooting a 155db gun which puts the shooter at around 140 less 35NRR best case you get a net of 105 shooter experience unbraked
 
so....... why bother with protection at all?
Anyone who really believes that an unbraked rifle, handgun, shotgun, is ok on your ears is just wrong.
Shooting is loud. All firearms vary in impact and volume- one cannot generalize the effects. The splitting of hairs here is getting a bit much.

You want to shoot indoors? The sound profile changes with reflection etc. You set up in a hollow with a cliff next to you when you shoot- you will get a powerful kick back like you were indoors. Every condition changes the sound profile.

I know that when a AR-15 or SVT40 or..... or a braked rifle sets up beside be - I move or they move. I try and go to ranges when its quiet.

In the field, no one cares as that is the way I hunt (except for duck hunitng out of a blind- thats where you can loose your hearing quickly - my little group now wears protection in the duck blind all the time).

The day I want something wrt guns of any kind banned, is the day I may as well vote liberal and let them do it for me.
 
A braked gun will probably be the same report except the noise is directed far more to the side and rear. The average .223 will have a report of 155db. A 9mm pistol is around 160db. Heavy calibre a can be 170 plus. At the shooter you're probably 140 db unbraked.
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No a brake won't actually make the report louder, but it will make it louder at the shooter, and to people beside or behind the shooter.

Contrary to popular belief double plugging does not double your protection. At best it may give you 5db more than the max of one type of hearing protection. For example 30nrr muffs plus plugs would be 35 total NRR. So shooting a 155db gun which puts the shooter at around 140 less 35NRR best case you get a net of 105 shooter experience unbraked
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The numbers that I used ,were a theoretical best case scenario, the point being that even if the effects were cumulative, it would still not be enough to protect a shooter's hearing from a braked rifle producing 160db at the shooter.
 
The attached link gives some information on noise levels. I've put a space in so the hot link nazi's don't ticket me.

h ttp://keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2052

Simply put the trend seems to be that shorter barrels are louder, muzzle brakes are louder still, and hearing protection cuts 20 to 30 decibels off.

It would seem that even with good hearing protection a muzzlebrake may put your rifle at noise levels that cause damage to your hearing. In fact even without the muzzlebrake you are on the edge.
 
Put me down as a shooter that dislikes muzzle brakes intensely.

As soon as someone shows up with one, people will start leaving the range. If you've brought new guests out to the range to shoot, they will soon have other commitments and have to leave early and I don't blame them. Not the best advertisement for the shooting sports.:mad:

Most of the brakes can be set up to be removed at will - Would it hurt to remove it while you are at the range when others are present??
 
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No not this one. Yours is cool. Is that a muzzle brake ? The one I was talking about had a scope this size of your rifle. It was not a black rifle at all, it was a .....something in between a M14 and a hunting rifle. Regardless, the owner obviously liked it. I just didn't like all the noise it made.
 
I have few braked rifles and dont get why people complain.
I am sure there are lots of stupid people firing braked rifles right beside someone at the range without letting others know, then they should get slaped on the face. Let others know that you have a brake on big cal guns and do not fire the gun if the range is full with people.. unless you have 20mm cannon that everyone wants you to pull one down the range.
Think of your Ethical valur to others at the range and brakes or not, it wont matter.

I also have own custom Build 30-378 with krieger barrel and brake on it. it does use 110 grains of powder and yes it will give out huge sound waves to all shooters beside me. I will not pull the trigger on my 30-378 if there are people beside me or try to stay as far as possible from other shooters and let them know. At the end, i will let them shoot my custom and try to get people all happy and enjoy what different rifles and do with or without brake.
Bottom line is, just let people know and make them comfortable with you and your collectiob at the range.. and i dont give a dam about people using brakes on hunting trip. its their ears not mine.
and talking about flinching... c'mon really?? you flinch because of other people shoots beside you??
Dont blame others for your flinching and get over it plz. if you want super quiet enviroment for only you to enjoy the range then build your own. There will be many people with big cal guns with muzzle brakes and which most lets the people in range know that they have brake on, and if you still flinch..... i would stop firing my own rifle and get used to others rifle blast.
 
The person shooting cannot get the full impact of the racket the suppressor creates. It remains the benefit of those to either side of the shooter.

And no, I do not use them, and leave the shooting area when I note anyone is going to use a rifle with one installed, at least until they are done.
 
DJdeadlyDALEK said:
My range is usually dead but if there's one other person there, I go to the complete other end to fire off my SVT38 or one of my SVT40's. I haven't ever warned anyone in advance, though - I also haven't met anyone at my range who didn't know what an SVT sounded or felt like when fired, either though...
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Good point....I took my SVT 40 to the range for the first time a few weeks ago...The guy using the bench next to me questioned the muzzle break after firing a few shots...It was not until my buddy fired the rifle with me standing next to him did I fully realize the impact it had on those close by...I'll just be a bit more careful and aware of those around me in the future...Its just good manners..
 
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