Why would a EE seller ask for "scan of PAL and drivers to complete sale"
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blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Exactly. Treat it as you would your social insurance number.
Many people on here don't have a scanner, not even a cell phone to txt to, should be interesting to watch how this evolves.
I noticed that a few sellers start to ask for scanned PAL and other IDs.
Is this even necessary or legit? There are not even much dealers asking for those.
For example, Cabelas, Wholesalesports, Frontiers do not request those photocopies.
I was wondering what all those new trends are about?!
Maybe I should start to ask for those next time I sell my toys.
Depends. If selling a Restricted i dont see the need for a scan of someones PAL. However, now that the LGR is dead, some may want you to prove you have a firearms licence before they sell you their Non-Restricted.
I dont know. i think that the CFC should CONFIRM the address of the buyer after the seller provides them with a CORRECT PAL#, full name, and date of birth. Why? because there are always bad people everywhere. If they know you well enough, and are close enough to get your PAL#, then they can order as many non-restricted guns as they want. I personally dont want to send a gun to an address until i can confirm that a person that has a pal does indeed live there.
Have any of the sellers requesting scanned ID's (PAL or D/L) thought of this ?
Do you think if an illegitimate buyer had a PAL to scan, they wouldn't have the matching D/L to send you also ?
This isn't a proper method of confirming a persons identity over the net. You want verification, get a web-cam.
A scanned copy of the PAL (minus the details) showing the picture, non-restricted and/or restricted status, and confirm the picture with a follow-up on Skype.
Do you think if an illegitimate buyer had a PAL to scan, they wouldn't have the matching D/L to send you also ?
This isn't a proper method of confirming a persons identity over the net. You want verification, get a web-cam.
A scanned copy of the PAL (minus the details) showing the picture, non-restricted and/or restricted status, and confirm the picture with a follow-up on Skype.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
A scanned copy of the PAL (minus the details) showing the picture, non-restricted and/or restricted status, and confirm the picture with a follow-up on Skype.
Totally not cool. Or maybe this was an attempt at humour... I can't tell anymore.
Dude finds lost pal.
Calls the CFC pretending to be involved in a sale and "just wants to confirm a buyers information. Gives the person at the CFC the pal number, dob, name on the card.
Dude asks if the cfc can tell him the "buyers" address. CFC gives the seller the address.
Dude who found the lost pal now has the address of a gun owner.
Guy who's pal it is gets robbed, guns stolen.
There is a reason the CFC doesn't put the pal holders address on the pal card.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
And probably why their require the full name and date of birth along with the PAL number to validate.
Well...to guys like Blaxsun, scianna54, GunGuy34 and all others with some semblance of a TR...I'm not even going to ask...it's obvious to me you have a PAL so my "due diligence" has been met (boy I'm getting sick of those two words being used so much). And for those of you who feel like asking me...yes, I have a PAL/RPAL and NO, I won't send you a scan of it...nor am I going to tell you my DOB...
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I think you hit the nail on the head... anyone with an established trader rating is going to be a pretty safe bet. Fortunately for me, I already have all the non-restricteds I want; and in the off-chance something really catches my eye - I'll just deal with folks that also have an established trader rating. Seems simple enough...
I long for the good o' days (pre-FAC) when we didn't worry about this crap. Looks like no more buying from the EE for me. I'm not sending scans or pictures of my PAL & DL to some dude on the internet. Local, face to face deals for me from now on......just like before the internet.
Better hope the people you have had dealings with on the EE dont turn to a life of crime. Think about it, how many times have you gave your address and pal out to somebody on the EE, either for a sale or purchase? Im not worried, just saying that info is out there already.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
It's going to be interesting, to be sure; that's the funny thing about Pandora's Box...
Actually, never.
I've only bought one thing off the EE and it was completed with a face to face meeting.
Showed him my PAL, he looked at the expiry, deal done.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Just to play devil's advocate... I think these discussions are just the tip of the iceberg. There's a huge issue of potential fraud that's yet to be addressed, because with the LGR the buyer could initiate the transfer and if the seller failed to ship the firearm he was looking at automatic jail time. That's a pretty big incentive. So it's definitely going to be buyer beware moving forward...
Actually, never.
I've only bought one thing of the EE and it was done face to face.
Showed him my PAL, he looked at the expiry, deal done.
Well good for you, i know myself and others have exchanged that info plenty of times but it had to be done.
Very true, in this day and age with all the fraud out there your gonna have to be more careful. However, if you do your homework, look at the trader rating, read the sellers posts etc.. you can usually make a decent judgement based on those things. For me i prefer to buy new now anyhow.
The other fraud, is say im a kid and i want to buy a gun without my parents knowing. Whats stopping me from sneaking a look at my dads PAL. So now i have the number, of course i know where he lives and when he was born. Boom a 12 year old gets a shotgun mailed to him. He just has to intercept it at the Post office before his parents. Kid of course has to save up his allowance lol.
