lol, god knows there are people out there that would want me to wear one..... at least i'll be fireproof (more or less).
Will the AR ever be Non-Restricted, again?
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lol, god knows there are people out there that would want me to wear one..... at least i'll be fireproof (more or less).
Never happen, just wait till the Liberals get in power again.
Taking the AR off the "deemed restricted" list would come with unique bureaucratic challenges however.
There are very, very, VERY few people out there whom run full-lenght 20 inch barrels on theirs, so all of the others would remain restricted.
There there is that small, but significant part of the regulations which specify that you cannot alter the lenght of a non-restricted firearm's barrel to be below 18.5ish inches without creating a prohibited weapon.
So even <if> the Minister would sign the magical piece of paper that voids the AR's "deemed restricted " OIC, all but a select few AR owners would now have to buy a brand new lower AND a brand new full-lenght upper AND since the lower is the registrable part, could never take that upper off again unless it was to swap it out for another full-lenght upper.
People like to ##### and moan a lot, but once everything is said and done and people realize the massive PITA that it is, is de-restricting the AR, while a noble cause, really such a "priority" ?
There are very, very, VERY few people out there whom run full-lenght 20 inch barrels on theirs, so all of the others would remain restricted.
There there is that small, but significant part of the regulations which specify that you cannot alter the lenght of a non-restricted firearm's barrel to be below 18.5ish inches without creating a prohibited weapon.
So even <if> the Minister would sign the magical piece of paper that voids the AR's "deemed restricted " OIC, all but a select few AR owners would now have to buy a brand new lower AND a brand new full-lenght upper AND since the lower is the registrable part, could never take that upper off again unless it was to swap it out for another full-lenght upper.
People like to ##### and moan a lot, but once everything is said and done and people realize the massive PITA that it is, is de-restricting the AR, while a noble cause, really such a "priority" ?
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would treating it like any other non restricted semi auto be that big of a deal ?
make sure it only has a 18.5" or longer barrel on it , and the mag pinned to 5 rounds and your good to go .
if someone has a upper with a shorter than 18.5 barrel , they could always rebarrel it .
haven't people put longer barrels on their handguns to move them from prohibited to restricted ?
the same thing could apply .
make sure it only has a 18.5" or longer barrel on it , and the mag pinned to 5 rounds and your good to go .
if someone has a upper with a shorter than 18.5 barrel , they could always rebarrel it .
haven't people put longer barrels on their handguns to move them from prohibited to restricted ?
the same thing could apply .
Yeap, they <could> slap on a long-barreled upper, then get a smithy to "verify" it as non-restricted and they <could> be good to go.
Once again, the real "problem" is that you're pretty much stuck with that lower/upper combo for life.
There is at least one model of black-powder "handgun" with a permanently fixed shoulder stock and a ridiculously long barreled that qualifies as "non restricted" out there.
Could the same be done with, say, a 1911 ?
Probably.
Once again, the real "problem" is that you're pretty much stuck with that lower/upper combo for life.
There is at least one model of black-powder "handgun" with a permanently fixed shoulder stock and a ridiculously long barreled that qualifies as "non restricted" out there.
Could the same be done with, say, a 1911 ?
Probably.
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As for the complaints against the DCRA I agree with many of them. Their focus on Target rifle has resulted in their greatly reduced stature. Keep in mind however that they unlike any other group I know of they have access to Military ranges. The DCRA is also membership driven so if CQB and FIBUA is the majorities focus it will become the DCRAs focus.
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what about the thompson single shot rifles that allow you to switch barrels ?
i believe it's blaser that sells a rifle that allows has a system that allows to switch to another barrel very easily .
how would a non restricted ar be any different ? ( with the upper = to the barrel ).
one day it's a 223 with a 18.5 " barrel .
then it's a 6.5tcu with a 24" barrel
or a .257wssm with a 22" barrel
just like is possible with a thompson , or a blaser .
the responsability would be the owners to make sure it is legal no matter how it is configured .
the catch would be , it is only a non restricted with a longer than 18.5" barrel , no matter how it is configured .
Easy.
That <could> work .... But again the verification would only be good for a single upper/lower combo ... Change the caliber, and you need a new verification which means a new reg cert ...
My guess is, most people would realize that this stuff is MUCH more trouble than it's actually worth .... And we're back to square one until a whole new law is written.
That <could> work .... But again the verification would only be good for a single upper/lower combo ... Change the caliber, and you need a new verification which means a new reg cert ...
My guess is, most people would realize that this stuff is MUCH more trouble than it's actually worth .... And we're back to square one until a whole new law is written.
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Let's just hope that the AR doesn't become prohibibted.
burnt_servo
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how does that work with other rifles that switch barrels and calibers ?
it is something that is happening already .
Long story short : It doesn't.
So much so that most people have not bothered trying to keep up with the law, hoping that they would never get caught and prosecuted ....
So much so that most people have not bothered trying to keep up with the law, hoping that they would never get caught and prosecuted ....
burnt_servo
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i spent the last hour reading ......
i can not find any requirement for a person to inform the people in charge of the registry if you switch calibers on a non restricted rifle , assuming it continues to be nonrestricted afterwards .
you should read your registration certificate again.... right above the box
Firearm Registration Certificate said:
burnt_servo
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finally found what i was looking for , it wasn't on the rcmps website , but on the department of justice's website.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-201/FramesView.html
section 4 , subsection 2 a & b
"(2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,
(a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
(b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period. "
so what this tells me is if you have a non restricted rifle capable of easily changing barrels , it needs to be registered as one caliber , but can be changed up to another caliber for 30 days without having to contact the registrar of fire arms .
so to back up a few posts , if the ar was to become non restrcited it should be a non issue to register it as a .223 , then change the upper to a different caliber for less than 30 days and not have to phone in and change the rifles registration .
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-201/FramesView.html
section 4 , subsection 2 a & b
"(2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,
(a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
(b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period. "
so what this tells me is if you have a non restricted rifle capable of easily changing barrels , it needs to be registered as one caliber , but can be changed up to another caliber for 30 days without having to contact the registrar of fire arms .
so to back up a few posts , if the ar was to become non restrcited it should be a non issue to register it as a .223 , then change the upper to a different caliber for less than 30 days and not have to phone in and change the rifles registration .
In theory, yes.
In practice, once you bump into a cop the onus is on you to prove that you made the "change" less than 30 days ago, and said cop does have the power to seize the firearm until you can provide him with such proof.
A hellova risk to take ...
In practice, once you bump into a cop the onus is on you to prove that you made the "change" less than 30 days ago, and said cop does have the power to seize the firearm until you can provide him with such proof.
A hellova risk to take ...
