Winchester Model 12

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870's in to clean? Really? It takes about 10 seconds to field strip one of those. I shoot with a guy once in a while with a Benelli semi auto, when he takes it apart to clean it he always ends up with short strokes and jamming, has to jam his knife into the action to clear a shell. Maybe it's from working with mechanical things so long but guns are very simple to reassemble.
I have a 930 that I do a quick clean on every time we go through a hundred rounds of trap loads (They're dirty as hell) and never had an issue.

I guess it just depends on how you grew up, on the farm if you couldn't fix it, you had to buy it and that often wasn't an option.
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Car owners manuals have to state not to drink the coolant now adays. Pretty much sums up the world we lie in
 
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Apologies for not getting back to you earlier on this model pile of junk .So not withstanding it has all the flaws guntech described also cartridge cut off has been replaced twice will not sit properly,barrel chamber ring has been replaced poorly ,bolt moves while action is closed and so does pump handle.Have shot 1 round of trap and it felt sketchy and I have a few model 12 .Looks good but believe me its a 2 dressed up as a 9 IMHO
 
While we are on the model 12's question for all you who know which of these 2 is the 28g and which is the 20????
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reddog said:
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Apologies for not getting back to you earlier on this model pile of junk .So not withstanding it has all the flaws guntech described also cartridge cut off has been replaced twice will not sit properly,barrel chamber ring has been replaced poorly ,bolt moves while action is closed and so does pump handle.Have shot 1 round of trap and it felt sketchy and I have a few model 12 .Looks good but believe me its a 2 dressed up as a 9 IMHO
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Who would not spend money and do over even a screwed 28ga considering the one I own was last appraised at $10,000 or even a 20ga for that matter a 12ga not so much if at all IMO . So many fakes out there now in the 28ga it is scary
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I've been a big fan of Model 12's since I was a boy and have quite a few Model 12's, mostly ribbed ones but still a couple of plain barrel guns as well. . I have photos of two or three I'll show. The 2-pin vented ribs are the early milled vented ribs. These ribs are a work of art that ended in the early 50's. I have more but don't wish to take up too much space.

Here's a 20 ga. solid rib skeet gun from 1946, in excellent original condition.

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A 12 ga. 2-pin vented rib skeet gun from 1951, also in excellent original condition.

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Two 12 ga 2-pin vented ribbed trap guns from 1949, also in excellent original condition.

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Here's a close up on the 2-pin rib where the milled rib is held onto the milled posts on the barrel with 2 pins.

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Here's the top of two I have showing the difference between the early 2-pin gun and the later 3-pin gun.

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I have said it here before and will say it again. Rod your guns belong in a winchester museum the condition they are in
One would sware the pics were taken in the early 50's not today
They are beautiful
Take care
 
Thanks for the kind words. I spent quite a few years collecting and upgrading and most likely over paid for some at the time but looking back now, considering today's prices, they were a bargain. I bought one Model 12, about 25 years ago, from an estate. A round 28" modified choked barrel that was bought brand new, assembled and put in the very back of his closet and stayed there, unused, unfired, until the owner passed away. It's nothing special but still unfired with some of the original packing grease still visible.

It's nice to have old Winchester firearms in excellent condition but I also like ones that show honest wear from proper use and proper maintenance. Not guns that were rode hard and put up wet, thrown in the trunk of a car or back of pickup and put away without cleaning and lubrication but ones that were respected and cared for over the years and still have a look of quality.
 
Really nothing much nicer than an old Winchester in excellent condition... even better if it's a higher grade or has special options... those will always retain a good value although much less in Canada over the US market.
 
guntech said:
Really nothing much nicer than an old Winchester in excellent condition... even better if it's a higher grade or has special options... those will always retain a good value although much less in Canada over the US market.
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I couldn't agree more my favorite upland gun 16 Gauge
 
Rod said:
It's nice to have old Winchester firearms in excellent condition but I also like ones that show honest wear from proper use and proper maintenance. Not guns that were rode hard and put up wet, thrown in the trunk of a car or back of pickup and put away without cleaning and lubrication but ones that were respected and cared for over the years and still have a look of quality.
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A lot depends on the application. If I acquire a minty gun I feel responsible for using it gently and keeping it in that condition. If I needed a truck gun then I'd feel less bad about doing that with a gun that had already had a hard life, though I do care about proper maintenance and running well there too.
 
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A lot depends on the application. If I acquire a minty gun I feel responsible for using it gently and keeping it in that condition. If I needed a truck gun then I'd feel less bad about doing that with a gun that had already had a hard life, though I do care about proper maintenance and running well there too.
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My solution has always been buy two of the same make and model . One to keep and one to use LOL
 
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