Winchester Model 94 & 92 vs Savage 99?

i have a 45 cal drum in my shop full of 99's that didn't handle 50 thousand psi very well
Rman said:
Really? Tell us more about this?
Worst how?
Weak lock up? How is it weak?

R.
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i would like to engage with the gym masses but to educate those who are educated from the internet or published articles by paid writers
i have built rifles for 30 plus years all aspects of rifle building chambering threading acurazing i built full bore rifles for 1000 yd matches
so at this point i will not engage with non experienced internet conversationalists with no back ground in firearms other than there own assumptions
i had a 45 gal bbl in the shop packed with 99's mostly head space issues especially the 308
with min road count they would survive
a tiny little spot on the back of the bolt pushing up on a tiny little spot in the reciever does not make for a strong lock up
 
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struff55 said:
i have a 45 cal drum in my shop full of 99's that didn't handle 50 thousand psi very well

i would like to engage with the gym masses but to educate those who are educated from the internet or published articles by paid writers
i have built rifles for 30 plus years all aspects of rifle building chambering threading acurazing i built full bore rifles for 1000 yd matches
so at this point i will not engage with non experienced internet conversationalists with no back ground in firearms other than there own assumptions
i had a 45 gal bbl in the shop packed with 99's mostly head space issues especially the 308
with min road count they would survive
a tiny little spot on the back of the bolt pushing up on a tiny little spot in the reciever does not make for a strong lock up
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This has to be one of the biggest load of crap posts this forum has ever seen. And that is really saying something.
For such an “experienced” “builder” you obviously have zero clue as what you are talking about. Just wow.
A tiny spot on the back of the bolt pushing up on the receiver? Are you sure you have even had a 99 apart, ever?
45 gallon drums full of fantasy .

R.
 
I didn't read any of the thread other than the title, but based on the rifles listed is assume it's not mountain/prairie hunting

The savage 99's are the ugliest rifle ever made in the history of humans, and the 92, slightly less so the 94 may be the nicest, classic riflemans rifle ever made. If you want to carry a nice looking rifle in the bush a 92/94 is top notch as far as standard rifles goes.

So I'd go with a pre64 92 or 94. with the calibers listed though the savage is probably ideal. There are lots of options for NS where you need no defense, id want a 92 in 44-40 or 25-20 or a 94 in 375.but they come in all kinds of calibers now a days.

Ive owned quite a few 94 and loved carrying everyone of them, the 92 is even smaller/more numble.

The cost isn't that much different between shooter grades post and pre 64. I've owned both and haven't really used them enough to notice a different. But I do like the feel of a well worn rifle so I'd moved towards an older rifle, '20's would be a nice feel.
 
Evanguy said:
The savage 99's are the ugliest rifle ever made in the history of humans...
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of erroneous that might be. LOL

Shot my first deer with the Savage I mentioned above - 56 years ago this fall.
Still laxer beam accurate, light, functions fast and is a dream to carry.
Oh, and btw, it is BEAUTIFUL!!

Cheers
 
IronNoggin said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless of erroneous that might be. LOL

Shot my first deer with the Savage I mentioned above - 56 years ago this fall.
Still laxer beam accurate, light, functions fast and is a dream to carry.
Oh, and btw, it is BEAUTIFUL!!

Cheers
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I've owned a 99cd in 308 I got from my uncle. I shot it lots. They are an awesome feeling/handling/cycling rifle but I can't bring my self to love the look.
 
TheCarpenter said:
Plinking:
-I love shooting, I want it to be as affordable as possible. bullet selection, powder is going crazy all the time and I was reloading 308 but looking at these I think they all run about 10 grains less a round, ish.
-Because i want to shoot so much and have one gun that I can really master, do any of these calibers have cheap plinking rounds like FMJ for bullet selection, or bulk ammo I can buy?
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Cast bullets in any of those cartridges make for cheap plinking. You can load either the 30-30 or the 300S with ~10-12gr of pistol powder and get fun, accurate practice time in.

Evanguy said:
They are an awesome feeling/handling/cycling rifle but I can't bring my self to love the look.
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This is where I'm at. I like the features of the 99, but just can't bring myself to like that humpback shape.

canuck said:
IMO, after the 99 a 336 Marlin is the next choice
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Also a great choice, with easy optics mounting as an option like the 99.


Mark
 
Rman said:
This has to be one of the biggest load of crap posts this forum has ever seen. And that is really saying something.
For such an “experienced” “builder” you obviously have zero clue as what you are talking about. Just wow.
A tiny spot on the back of the bolt pushing up on the receiver? Are you sure you have even had a 99 apart, ever?
45 gallon drums full of fantasy .

R.
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Careful we all don't slip in the bull#### eh
 
I've never owned or fired a Savage 99 in my life but a buddy has one in .308Win.
I picked up that rifle, brought it to my shoulder and my eye just went right to the sights on it.
The fastest, smoothest, most natural sight acquisition I've ever had on a lever rifle, better than my M94 in .375Win, which is my walk-about in grizzly country rifle. Hands down better than my Marlin M1895 or my Winchester M1886.

Acquiring that sight picture was effortless. I mean I just picked it up and I was lined up with the sights.

And that's about all I can tell you about a Savage 99.
 
To funny I bet the OP has already made up his mind before his post. We gunners jump on these posts like a fat kid on a smarty and we morf it into something crazy time and time again. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
Sav is much better handling rifle IMHO, I've hunted with 1899s for yrs started with a 303 carbine, 25-35, 250-3000, 30-30s & my go to now for deer a 38-55. For me they're fit is faster to acquire the target, and super easy to unload right into your left hand while working the action with the right, something I always hated about all Win lever guns!
 
Demonical said:
I've never owned or fired a Savage 99 in my life but a buddy has one in .308Win.
I picked up that rifle, brought it to my shoulder and my eye just went right to the sights on it.
The fastest, smoothest, most natural sight acquisition I've ever had on a lever rifle, better than my M94 in .375Win, which is my walk-about in grizzly country rifle. Hands down better than my Marlin M1895 or my Winchester M1886.

Acquiring that sight picture was effortless. I mean I just picked it up and I was lined up with the sights.

And that's about all I can tell you about a Savage 99.
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In full agreement as I pointed out above.
 
TheCarpenter said:
Hey folks, Just sold my henry and I'm at a bit of a toss up between (mainly) the model 94 winchester in 3030, the model 94 in 44 mag, and the savage 99 in 300 Savage.

My parameters for decision making are these:

Hunting, plinking, reloading.

Hunting:

-Rarely shoot over 50 yards here in Nova scotia, but it happens.
-Mostly white tail, odd black bear
-mainly dense brushy forest, sometimes long open clear spots, corn fields etc.

Plinking:
-I love shooting, I want it to be as affordable as possible. bullet selection, powder is going crazy all the time and I was reloading 308 but looking at these I think they all run about 10 grains less a round, ish.
-Because i want to shoot so much and have one gun that I can really master, do any of these calibers have cheap plinking rounds like FMJ for bullet selection, or bulk ammo I can buy?

Reloading:

-Bullet selection, powder availability & price, brass availability and price, etc.


And does anyone have a large amount of experience with any of these three rifles? pros/cons? are the pre 64 model 94 winchesters REALLY worth tha much more for shooting & hunting? I'm a buy once cry once kind of guy and want one rifle to really call my own, and prefer classic guns without getting way back into things like rolling block rifles. Any of these rifles have any regular problems I should buy parts for and so forth?


Also, as i'm thinking out loud, the model 88 winchester lever guns that come in 308, any good? garbage?

Thanks gun nuts!

The Carpenter
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After discovering the 45-70 and hunting bear and deer with my trusted 18" barrel Tikka T3x Compact in 308 I never touched my once goto cabin gun, the 44mag Henry Mare's Leg with a full length stock. I ended up selling the Mare's Leg and replaced it with a Winchester M94 Deluxe Short Color Case Hardened 30-30. It's been a joy to carry around in my backyard. It's so well balanced. None of my rifles even my Marlin Trapper 45-70 handles and balances as good as my Win M94. I've been reloading "mouse fart" for the 30-30 using up my pistol powder and Campro 308 147 gr FMJ @ 992 fps. Problem with the Campro 308 147gr FMJ is it's too long to feed from the tube and if I load the bullet backward it's too short to load into the chamber from the lifter. I end up single feeding which can be just as fun and good practice.

30-30 bullets from Hornady or Sierra is pretty much $1 per bullet after taxes so too expensive for plinking. Budget Supply has a nice selection of 30-30 bullets but I'm going to use up my Campro stuff first before stocking up 30 30 bullets. As for factory rounds.... S&B are about $31.00 per 20 rds and I've been scooping up what I can when SFRC or FOC has their usual stat holiday discount sale.

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I like the look and feel of a 92, much more than 94. From those listed I’d pick a 99 as I’ve only had one that was not close to moa at 100. It was a very well worn 303 Savage. Even my highpower was OK. Good cast bullets make for fun plinking.
 
92 all the way at that range. Cheaper ammo, carbide dies if you reload, easy to carry and easy to load. Red dot is an easy install or a cantilever scope mount with a 2 inch offset and a cheek riser if you need a scope for low light.
 
Demonical said:
^ Those Miroku Winchesters are beauties!

I can go out on a limb and say that's a VERY short range proposition.
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I just ring steel under 50 yards with them mouse fart loads and getting use to the semi buck horn sights. The 45-70 has ghost ring sight which I've been use to for the longest time.
 
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