Winchester Super X-1 trap

[Bigbubba]

I know where there are a few of these for sale - pretty sure they are all G+ to VG+condition, pretty sure they are all 30 inch full trap choke as well

They are 40+ years old IIRC Winchester stopped making them about 1978 so i don't expect they are mint, plus I know they are used.

Anyone got any input as to what far price is?

Thanks - and sorry I don't have any pictures yet

 

[bdft]

Super X-1 Trap guns are only worth something to Super X-1 Trap afficionados. I have seen them posted on the EE for 500.00 or so but they never seem to sell very fast. While they are very high quality guns, time has seemed to passed them by.

 

[Rod]

The SX-1 is a quality made firearm. . Winchester made these equal to the pre-64's and those that have them love them . .The Trap and Skeet grades are worth more than the standard field grade . Not hard to tell the difference as the wood is gorgeous and the receiver is engraved with a basic pattern while the field grade is not and the wood is plain. . Winchester stopped making them because they couldn't get enough money at the time to make it pay because the stamp and press 1100 was selling for less. . . By the time shooters figured out what a beautiful gun they were it was too late. .

Quite a few in the know consider the SX-1 to be the best of the self loaders. The part to pay close attention to is the recoil buffer. . If you buy a SX-1, it's the part you'll need to change out. . Not a big deal and easy to do just a plastic buffer that snaps into place. They're available from Wright's.

I own a Trap Grade 3 barrel set and I like it. Value for Trap or Skeet in very good shape around $850 plus and $600 to $650 for a field grade. . Naturally you'll find ones in lesser condition for lesser money.

 

[3macs1]

The SX-1 is a quality made firearm. . Winchester made these equal to the pre-64's and those that have them love them . .The Trap and Skeet grades are worth more than the standard field grade . Not hard to tell the difference as the wood is gorgeous and the receiver is engraved with a basic pattern while the field grade is not and the wood is plain. . Winchester stopped making them because they couldn't get enough money at the time to make it pay because the stamp and press 1100 was selling for less. . . By the time shooters figured out what a beautiful gun they were it was too late. .

Quite a few in the know consider the SX-1 to be the best of the self loaders. The part to pay close attention to is the recoil buffer. . If you buy a SX-1, it's the part you'll need to change out. . Not a big deal and easy to do just a plastic buffer that snaps into place. They're available from Wright's.

I own a Trap Grade 3 barrel set and I like it. Value for Trap or Skeet in very good shape around $850 plus and $600 to $650 for a field grade. . Naturally you'll find ones in lesser condition for lesser money.

Agree. Most so called trap guns are not. They are just field grade with a 30" full choked barrel and people call them trap guns
The last real trap gun I sold here was the first year I joined and it went for $750. It was in sweet condition with super nice wood the monte stock and a true trap barrel marked trap full choke
Also have all new internal springs, mag tube and buffer and stage 3 trigger
Cheers

 

[3macs1]

I know where there are a few of these for sale - pretty sure they are all G+ to VG+condition, pretty sure they are all 30 inch full trap choke as well

They are 40+ years old IIRC Winchester stopped making them about 1978 so i don't expect they are mint, plus I know they are used.

Anyone got any input as to what far price is?

Thanks - and sorry I don't have any pictures yet

Why would you assume they are not mint. I have some here that could pass for NIB and that is after a lot of rounds fired. Just make sure it is a trap model and not a field
These examples pretty good to me despite being old and it was 74-81 I think for dates. Also note the true target models had a wider forearm and different checkering pattern
Cheers

 

[Rod]

3Macs1 : Beautiful SX-1's you have there. . The top one I believe is a Mississippi Flyway. . The middle a Trap and the bottom a Field gun. . Winchester built these Super X-One's with quality in mind to match their pre-64 standards but the market just wasn't there at the time to show a profit. A few years later the gun caught on and the rest is history. If those guns were available today I often wonder what the price would be at the counter. These SX-ones were built with machined WP steel, even the trigger guard, and will out last more than one or two generations if properly cared for. Approx. 85,000 were built.

 

[3macs1]

3Macs1 : Beautiful SX-1's you have there. . The top one I believe is a Mississippi Flyway. . The middle a Trap and the bottom a Field gun. . Winchester built these Super X-One's with quality in mind to match their pre-64 standards but the market just wasn't there at the time to show a profit. A few years later the gun caught on and the rest is history. If those guns were available today I often wonder what the price would be at the counter. These SX-ones were built with machined WP steel, even the trigger guard, and will out last more than one or two generations if properly cared for. Approx. 85,000 were built.



That is one beautiful trap gun. It is the twin of the one I sold here in the EE but I thought mine went to alberta and that would have been about 8 years ago.
Have you had it long. I think I sold the same guy a IC factory VR barrel also a bit later
Not many of us left my friend
The one I had that I should have kept was a DU version. I was stupid for parting with it
Thanks for sharing

A few years ago there was a guy state side selling a NIB miss flyway with the picture. All I managed to get was a picture saved. It seemed to go real quick and was not cheap
Man just look at the wood on that thing
Cheers

 

[Rod]

I've had the SX-1 for quite a few years now and forget where I got it.. . I did buy an IC barrel off EE here a while back but don't recall from who.

I missed out on a Mississippi Flyway that was for sale here on EE. This was some time back and was sold before I had a chance at it. They are a beautiful gun alright with exceptional wood.

 

[3macs1]

I've had the SX-1 for quite a few years now and forget where I got it.. . I did buy an IC barrel off EE here a while back but don't recall from who.

I missed out on a Mississippi Flyway that was for sale here on EE. This was some time back and was sold before I had a chance at it. They are a beautiful gun alright with exceptional wood.

I would say it was me on the barrel since one doesn't see a lot of factory IC SX1 ones for sale. I had two so sold one
The one I sold went out your way somewhere and was like new
Now I picked up the used flyway I have on the EE, might be the one you missed. It was like 900 bucks I think
The circle is small for SX1 collectors/ owners in canada it seems now
All the best

 

[Westward1]

I would say it was me on the barrel since one doesn't see a lot of factory IC SX1 ones for sale. I had two so sold one
The one I sold went out your way somewhere and was like new
Now I picked up the used flyway I have on the EE, might be the one you missed. It was like 900 bucks I think
The circle is small for SX1 collectors/ owners in canada it seems now
All the best

I agree. The prices for all types of SX1’s are not what they once were.

 

[struff55]

The death of the sx1 had nothing to do with Remington or any other gun manufacture it was at the hands of winchester they never nade a 3" field version so that was it demise . I have one with 3 bbl's full . Mod and imp cyl. The first one I bought was at a Simpson Sears store on clearance for 119.00 plain bbl field gun . Sold to a buddy way back in the day he still shoots it

 

[3macs1]

Honestly the non 3" version had nothing to do with it based on anything I have ever read on this subject. This was the best explanation I have seen

This is the overall outline of the legend of the SX1 which may or may not be 100% fact

1. Accounting procedures at Winchester in the middle 1970's were atrocious.

2. About 1978 outside accountants were hired to give a report, and management found out the awful truth

3. The SX1 cost about $300 each more than they brought in for Winchester. The more guns made, the worse the losses. There was no way to materially lower costs and no way to raise prices.

4. There were warehouses full of unsold SX1's.

5. The last SX1 action was made in 1978 and all sales after that date were "cleanup".

6. The project lost over twenty million dollars and crippled Winchester, leading to it's sale to the employees by Olin in 1980

7. Most of this information came from a series of interviews that a former Winchester executive gave to a gun magazine in the early 1990's where he defended management's early 1960's decision to cheapen the guns in 1964. But he admitted that the SX1 was a financial disaster, but an excellent shotgun. The point was that it was better to make lots of cheap, profitable guns that expensive guns that lost tons of money. Or something like that.

 

[the spank]

Why would you assume they are not mint. I have some here that could pass for NIB and that is after a lot of rounds fired. Just make sure it is a trap model and not a field
These look pretty good to me despite being old and it was 74-81 I think for dates. Also note the true target models had a wider forearm and different checkering pattern
Cheers

Hmmm?? If that top one is yours 3Macs1 you’re in a very small exclusive club! There were only 100 SX1 Pigeon Grades produced and of those only 48 Super Pigeons #5 engraved

 

[the spank]

Honestly the non 3" version had nothing to do with it based on anything I have ever read on this subject. This was the best explanation I have seen

This is the overall outline of the legend of the SX1 which may or may not be 100% fact

1. Accounting procedures at Winchester in the middle 1970's were atrocious.

2. About 1978 outside accountants were hired to give a report, and management found out the awful truth

3. The SX1 cost about $300 each more than they brought in for Winchester. The more guns made, the worse the losses. There was no way to materially lower costs and no way to raise prices.

4. There were warehouses full of unsold SX1's.

5. The last SX1 action was made in 1978 and all sales after that date were "cleanup".

6. The project lost over twenty million dollars and crippled Winchester, leading to it's sale to the employees by Olin in 1980

7. Most of this information came from a series of interviews that a former Winchester executive gave to a gun magazine in the early 1990's where he defended management's early 1960's decision to cheapen the guns in 1964. But he admitted that the SX1 was a financial disaster, but an excellent shotgun. The point was that it was better to make lots of cheap, profitable guns that expensive guns that lost tons of money. Or something like that.

Thats it bang on!!

 

[Bigbubba]

Honestly the non 3" version had nothing to do with it based on anything I have ever read on this subject. This was the best explanation I have seen

This is the overall outline of the legend of the SX1 which may or may not be 100% fact

1. Accounting procedures at Winchester in the middle 1970's were atrocious.

2. About 1978 outside accountants were hired to give a report, and management found out the awful truth

3. The SX1 cost about $300 each more than they brought in for Winchester. The more guns made, the worse the losses. There was no way to materially lower costs and no way to raise prices.

4. There were warehouses full of unsold SX1's.

5. The last SX1 action was made in 1978 and all sales after that date were "cleanup".

6. The project lost over twenty million dollars and crippled Winchester, leading to it's sale to the employees by Olin in 1980

7. Most of this information came from a series of interviews that a former Winchester executive gave to a gun magazine in the early 1990's where he defended management's early 1960's decision to cheapen the guns in 1964. But he admitted that the SX1 was a financial disaster, but an excellent shotgun. The point was that it was better to make lots of cheap, profitable guns that expensive guns that lost tons of money. Or something like that.

THAT'S IT FOR SURE
They cost more to make than they could get for them - they were machined and not stamped like the Rem's were.

The 3 that I looked at are all VG+ but not mint. I am thinking about $750 each for starters and see where it goes from there - if and when I get them posted on the EE

 

[3macs1]

Hmmm?? If that top one is yours 3Macs1 you’re in a very small exclusive club! There were only 100 SX1 Pigeon Grades produced and of those only 48 Super Pigeons #5 engraved

That top gun or one like it has been posted all over the internet and is actually in the winchester album if I remember correctly
To my knowledge it was not a factory production. It was purchased much later from Bob Baumgart and the story I was told my dad had the additional work done on it when he lived in virginia by Ken Hurst who also lived there and did some of the winchester custom work but did do quite a few outside of contract also on sx1's
I may be wrong on that but just sharing what I can remember.
It was returned to the US when I became sick but is still in the family. I guess as far as a rare winchester production it would be a clone for lack of a better word since the serial number is not right for a factory one no SX5P and they say there was actually 78 produced by winchester with no inlay 48 with inlay. Here in canada I still have four a trap, skeet , miss flyway and a field plus sold four more since joining nutz
Cheers

 

[the spank]

That top gun or one like it has been posted all over the internet and is actually in the winchester album if I remember correctly
To my knowledge it was not a factory production. It was purchased much later from Bob Baumgart and the story I was told my dad had the additional work done on it when he lived in virginia by Ken Hurst who also lived there and did some of the winchester custom work but did do quite a few outside of contract also on sx1's
I may be wrong on that but just sharing what I can remember.
It was returned to the US when I became sick but is still in the family. I guess as far as a rare winchester production it would be a clone for lack of a better word since the serial number is not right for a factory one no SX5P and they say there was actually 78 produced by winchester with no inlay 48 with inlay. Here in canada I still have four a trap, skeet , miss flyway and a field plus sold four more since joining nutz
Cheers

Glad you posted that as I did not want to elude to that and have you get upset. Many consider the guns engraved by Hurst as pretty much original as he did most of the factory SX1’s anyways for winchester away from the factory.

 

[3macs1]

Glad you posted that as I did not want to elude to that and have you get upset. Many consider the guns engraved by Hurst as pretty much original as he did most of the factory SX1’s anyways for winchester away from the factory.

No if it was original the bucks would be huge IMO. It is still very important to us however but never would we try to fool someone. Don't get me wrong other than the serial number to me it is just as nice as an original
Dad sent every superx1 we shot down to Bob B in those days for tweeking as he would say and there was always something different at his place. Back when one could take guns back and forth with just a smile
I wonder what happened to his collection when he passed
Cheers

 

[JIMMY 808]

Only gun I have seen where it can eject shells clear across a trap line.

From post 1 to post 5 is in range.

Good heavy loads will shake the guts right out of it.

 

[the spank]

Only gun I have seen where it can eject shells clear across a trap line.

From post 1 to post 5 is in range.

Good heavy loads will shake the guts right out of it.

You’ve obviously never owned one. For once try shooting a gun more than your yap.