Witness-Protection Shotgun w/ 14" barrel
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Any of you managed to put together a witness-protection style shotgun with a 14" barrel (Norinco HP-9 / Rem 870), that isn't shorter than the 26"/660mm minimum overall length for non-restricted?
By my math, it looks like this might be around half-an-inch too short ...
Maybe a +2 magazine extension would provide the required length... (or would that be a bad idea...)
Here's a grip I still have not finished......non restricted 14 "er
Regarding the Speedfeed "Witness Protection Grip" on a 14" Rem870/Norc870:
Interestingly; looks like Remington used to sell this exact setup as a factory firearm:
Seems we still don't have a definitive answer (from someone who has actually built one up) on whether this configuration would be over-or-under 26" overall...?
I have.
The as-pictured-above length is too-close-for-comfort to the minimum (legal) OAL. I have three (3) single-point sling plates installed between the receiver and the Speedfeed pistol grip. (BadBoyBesson, GGG, and Midwest Industries all make single-point sling plates. Each adds about .25". All you have to do is stack them - and use a longer stock bolt.)
It's not perfect, ergonomics-wise, but it's legal.
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When I say that it isn't perfect I refer to the fact that the entire pistol grip has been moved rearward by 3/4" so the intended relationship between your hand and the trigger is changed. Sometimes, under recoil, the plates can rotate a little, leaving the pistol grip at a 2 or 3 degree cant in the direction of your strong hand. (They are aluminum alloy. I've thought about drilling, tapping, and locking them together with screws, but just haven't gotten around to doing it.) The slot on the bottom of the pistol grip (intended to lock on the rear of the triggerguard) now rubs - annoyingly - against your 3rd digit. It could use a filler block of wood or rubber. No big deal. If I could buy a longer Speedfeed pistol grip, I would.
The OAL measurement depends greatly upon how you choose to measure it - on what axis, and from what points. I have no way of knowing for certain how a particular police officer or conservation officer will choose to do the measurement in the field, so, while the added length provided by two sling plates may be long enough for the 660mm, I choose to use only three plates. And, no matter how I measure it, it measures up; with the 14" bbl, the three MI sling plates (available from Brownells), and the Speedfeed pistol grip stock it is definitely over 660mm in overall length.
This is a link to the sling plate. I used MI. Midwest Industries is registered with State, so Brownells can ship. (My GGG plate is virtually the same size. I don't know for sure about the Canadian-made versions, but I think they are virtually the same.)
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...LING%20ADAPTER
You would also need a replacement (longer) stock bolt. You can get this at any good industrial hardware store.
Now, I don't know you and I don't know whether you deal with Brownells. But, suppose I am full of s**t...and you buy the plates only to find that it is either too short, or too uncomfortable, or you just don't like it. Brownells has a "satisfaction guaranteed forever" guarantee. Anytime you want, you can return a Brownells product for refund, or exchange, or credit - as you wish.
You've got nothing to lose.
The OAL measurement depends greatly upon how you choose to measure it - on what axis, and from what points. I have no way of knowing for certain how a particular police officer or conservation officer will choose to do the measurement in the field, so, while the added length provided by two sling plates may be long enough for the 660mm, I choose to use only three plates. And, no matter how I measure it, it measures up; with the 14" bbl, the three MI sling plates (available from Brownells), and the Speedfeed pistol grip stock it is definitely over 660mm in overall length.
This is a link to the sling plate. I used MI. Midwest Industries is registered with State, so Brownells can ship. (My GGG plate is virtually the same size. I don't know for sure about the Canadian-made versions, but I think they are virtually the same.)
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...LING%20ADAPTER
You would also need a replacement (longer) stock bolt. You can get this at any good industrial hardware store.
Now, I don't know you and I don't know whether you deal with Brownells. But, suppose I am full of s**t...and you buy the plates only to find that it is either too short, or too uncomfortable, or you just don't like it. Brownells has a "satisfaction guaranteed forever" guarantee. Anytime you want, you can return a Brownells product for refund, or exchange, or credit - as you wish.
You've got nothing to lose.
I know this is old but I don't think anything has changed... flash hiders or muzzle breaks don't count for measuring barrel length with the CFC, so I don't think they'd be applicable for the shotgun, would it?
