WK 180 how does it really shoot compared to an AR15?

Gunnerlove said:
There have been a number of articles regarding AR barrel break in procedures reducing copper fouling forward of the gas port. Damn AMU, at it again.
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With any firearm your barrel temperature is more important than any friggin copper fouling.

People can do all this mumbo-jumbo if they are trying to squeeze 0.1 more MOA from a benchrest rifle. And those people are worrying about gunpowder temps impact on accuracy in their handloads. Are we?:)
 
My 180 is more accurate then my $2000 FN m16. I can easily blast the small baby food jars of tannerite at 100 yards with it with a 1-4 bushnell scope
For a NR rifle I am really fond of it and glad I got it. I also got one of the really early ones too
 
Deathrawt said:
My 180 is more accurate then my $2000 FN m16
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Whats the twist rate of the FN barrel and are you using the appropriate weight ammo? Those FN barrels are cold hammer forged arent they? Id be surprised if it wasnt more accurate than the WK's
 
HotSoup said:
Whats the twist rate of the FN barrel and are you using the appropriate weight ammo? Those FN barrels are cold hammer forged arent they? Id be surprised if it wasnt more accurate than the WK's
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They are, and one of them will be going in my slr soon. I'll do an accuracy test of it at some point and get back with the results.

Maybe he got a lemon? Or like you said just not running the right ammo for it?
 
cr5 said:
Isn't your FN barrel under 18.5 inch?
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For my slr? 20 inch. My slr build for pattern is following the c7 from a functional standpoint. 20 inch gov profile barrel, rifle length gas system, fa bcg, h2 buffer and carbine receiver extension.

Barrel in question is fn 20 inch chf gov profile barrel.
 
St Pauli said:
I did the barrel break in as per owners manual
I was shooting iron sights at 50 yards
shots 1 to 10 group was 10 inches tall by 4 inches wide
shots 30 to 40 was 4 inches tall by 4 inches wide

Can't say if barrel break in shrunk the groups or if I was getting used to the rifle, but the groups were smaller.
All shot hand held no bag or any support from sitting.I expect groups will shrink more once a scope is mounted and I
get more time behind it.
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I dont want to be that guy, but I have no idea how people can comment on groupings of a rifle with no rest, no scope. Unless you are a super duper sniper with irons...I see no reason how you can provide a quality review on the MOA of a rifle...you need to be able to control all the other factors.
 
BlackVoid said:
With any firearm your barrel temperature is more important than any friggin copper fouling.

People can do all this mumbo-jumbo if they are trying to squeeze 0.1 more MOA from a benchrest rifle. And those people are worrying about gunpowder temps impact on accuracy in their handloads. Are we?:)
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Sounds like a Queens Medalist in the making.
 
100% agree. You're not testing the rifle's accuracy without a good scope and rest.

Gunknob said:
I dont want to be that guy, but I have no idea how people can comment on groupings of a rifle with no rest, no scope. Unless you are a super duper sniper with irons...I see no reason how you can provide a quality review on the MOA of a rifle...you need to be able to control all the other factors.
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BlackVoid said:
With any firearm your barrel temperature is more important than any friggin copper fouling.

People can do all this mumbo-jumbo if they are trying to squeeze 0.1 more MOA from a benchrest rifle. And those people are worrying about gunpowder temps impact on accuracy in their handloads. Are we?:)
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Agreed, especially when shooting through the cheapest barrel you can buy.
Cheap barrels (like the one in this rifle) don't get stress relieved as well as expensive barrels do. This is why they string rounds as they heat up.
If guys want to see small groups from a rifle like this they need to shoot slowly so the barrel doesn't heat up. But what fun is that? If you bought this rifle expecting 1 moa you bought the wrong rifle. People may fluke off the odd decent group but this is not and never will be a precision rifle.

Also, anyone posting pics of targets or talking about accuracy should be shooting from a solid rest at a measured distance with a quality optic, any other groups are just showing the combined potential of the rifle and shooter which really doesn't mean much.

As long as it shoots surplus into 2-4 moa I don't really care about the accuracy, I'm way more interested to know if it's as reliable as my AR180B-2. If it's jamming or is magazine or ammo sensitive that's a way bigger issue to me than whether it can fluke a decent group once in a while.
 
Well you were right the grouping opens up with heat, this was 50 yards, bipod, 75 grain Hornady ammo (6 rounds) out of my new WK180C.



I know it was only 50 yards, but the other ARs and Bullpups had HUGE groups at the range!
 
Gunknob said:
I dont want to be that guy, but I have no idea how people can comment on groupings of a rifle with no rest, no scope. Unless you are a super duper sniper with irons...I see no reason how you can provide a quality review on the MOA of a rifle...you need to be able to control all the other factors.
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Take the rifle the bullets are coming out of into context.
This isn't a precision bolt gun shooting match hand loaded ammo.
Showing a fast 10 round group with irons off a bag prone unsupported at 100 meters is a great reflection of what to expect accuracy wise. Because its exactly how 95% of the people who buy this gun are going to shoot it.
I have seen people shooting supermatch ammo through this gun and posting pics of 1" 5 round groups after waiting 2 minutes between shots etc
To me those accurracy results are completely irelevant as almost Noone is ever going to shoot this cheap ass, bare bones blaster in this fashion.

It's the cheapest materials on the market and as soon as it gets hot, it opens up fast. I can attest to that personally.

Would be like buying a pgw coyote and then running crates of corrosive steel cased ammo through it as fast as you can shooting from the hip and posting groups. You want to see what a rifle does when it's applied in the actual method it was designed and intended to be used.
 
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cr5 said:
As long as it shoots surplus into 2-4 moa I don't really care about the accuracy, I'm way more interested to know if it's as reliable as my AR180B-2. If it's jamming or is magazine or ammo sensitive that's a way bigger issue to me than whether it can fluke a decent group once in a while.
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This in so many ways.
 
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