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I thought I would start a new thread on the problems which have been identified with the WK180C.

Originally Posted by Cee-8 View Post
Updated list of issues with the WK180C (Further to the original posting). I have included Travis's issue with the Magpul Mbus polymer sights.

So here is a list of issues that I have compiled from reading all the sites:

1. Chamber problems. (Original 223 Wylde chambered rifles had some issues in feeding some factory ammo; namely; american independence ammo. Problem was traced back to an out of spec chamber reamer. This was resolved by changing to 556 chamber.)

2, Magazine feeding problems. (See Travis Bickle post above and there is a video on youtube by Zee 705 that demonstrates it doesn't work will all mags. Apparently this has been resolved according to highbeam's post but it still may be QC issue and appear in other rifles.)

3. Charging handle is galling/gouging the inside of the raceway when operated on the left side of the receiver. (Maybe a design issue or possibly the gun is being over gassed. Unfortunately, to keep the prices down, there is no way to adjust the gas system. I will be on the watch for this in my rifle as the round count goes up.)

4. The gas block touches the hand guard. (No free float here if there is contact. I haven't heard any recent complaints about this and there was a mention that the company may be milling the block down to overcome this issue.)

5. Not a true 1913 picatinny rail. (The top of the rail is to spec but not the sides. This is creating a issue in which some optics and mounting systems do not work. Not an easy fix as the receiver would have to be redesigned as well as the hand guard. Apparently, the company has only addressed this in the specs by calling it 1913 type rail or something to that effect.) * FURTHER: *** MAGPUL MBUS POLYMER SIGHTS CAN BE MOUNTED BUT THE REAR SIGHT HAS TO BE MODIFIED SO IT CAN BE FLIPPED UP AND DEPLOYED***

6. Pistol grip angle is not conducive to proper trigger finger placement (Not a real problem, but the trigger finger doesn't fall naturally to the sweet spot in the trigger. People have resorted to modifying various grips with a dremel tool or purchasing the Magpul MOE K which is designed to be more vertical. )

FEEL FREE TO COPY THIS POST AND INCLUDE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED.
 
I have had my rifle out to the range on two occasions and have shot about 300 rounds through the gun to date. Here are some of my personal observations regarding the above issues:

1. My rifle came with a 556 chamber. No issues chambering any type of ammo including the Independence ammo that was giving the 223 wylde chamber problems. (Looks like this is resolved)

2. I used PMags, Hera, C Products Defense 5/30, RRA Lar-15 pistol mags (10 rounders), and a IWI 5/30 Tavor Mag without any issues at all. I had only two FTF which were early in testing and were caused by me following the charging handle while closing. (Looks like this is resolved)

3. After 300 rounds, there is no indication that the charging handle is impacting the inside of the receiver. (Looks like this is a non-issue or just a problem with select rifles)

4. Still touches the hand guard. So no free float here. Gun is pretty accurate, so it doesn't seem to affect it much. (Still an issue).

5. The mount tightening knob on my aimpoint Pro was touching the receiver. Did the same thing on my Ruger PC9 as well. I could have modified it with another washer as suggested but I did the next best thing, I sold it and picked up an aimpoint H2 with aimpoint quick release base - no issues with this base at all. I installed Fab Defense MBus type plastic sights instead of the magpul Mbus variety and they cleared and worked without issue. One point I did notice was that the rear sight had to be moved substantially to the right when zeroed. If the rail, barrel and receiver were in true alignment this could be dead centre. (Still an issue - no a true 1913 pic rail some mounts and sights will give you issues).

6. Was going to order a Magpul MOE K with the improved grip angle to resolved this issue. Instead I just used a dremel and custom fitted Magpul MIAD Grip retaining some of the backstrap. Very comfortable but did nothing to address the grip angle.

7. (New One) There is noticeable loose fit between the upper and lower received. More up down than right left. Not really an issue as far as accuracy goes but they (the manufacturer) made it a point on their youtube video that they had resolved the chronic AR15 rattle by installing a lug in the upper receiver that keyed into the lower to reduce the shake. My former AR15 didn't have this much wobble. Again not a deal breaker and could be resolved with a shim or piece of tape. Didn't affect accuracy.

Bottom Line: It's not restricted. Shoots nice. Fit and finish is very good. Nose heavy but what do you expect with an 18.6" barrel. Action does not get as dirty as an AR. All in all, I am pretty impressed. Not as pretty as an AR but then again I wouldn't win any beauty awards either.
 
Shot another 100 plus rounds through her today but gun went into single action and had to be manually charged to extract and rechamber another round.

Tried cleaning the gas piston system at the range to no avail. When I got home, I discovered that the gas block had moved 1/2" forward obstructing the gas hole coming from the barrel. seems the gas block retaining screw had worked its way loose.

I have read several accounts of others experiencing this problem. I notified Kodiak regarding this assembly or design issue. Check your gas block retainer screw after shooting.

At this point I think a gas block redesign is probably in order. It touches the top of the hand grip and it's a pain in the butt to get disassembled.

They should copy the M+M M10x DMR system. I would pay for the upgrade.
 
I have one of these on pre-order. I am wondering, with regards to the handguard contacting the gas block, if some material could be removed from the inside of the handguard at that one point with a Dremel or similar tool to create clearance. I have not seen one of these in person yet, so forgive me if the answer is obviously no. I have seen a video of the movement between the upper and lower. It looked like it would be easy enough to shim it tight.

Jim
 
havent shot mine , but , one more issue is the quick release sling hole on the handguard is too thick for the detent balls to spring out ......and i just hammered my nikon p mount on , it went one , but needed "persueding" .....
 
They need to cease production of these rifles immediately and revise their tooling, way to many threads and posts of these same kinda issues happening over and over again.

But they just keep pumping them out and writing the issues off as an isolated incident, it's far from this!

Then when you send your rifle back to Kodiak, they will try a few of thier mags and do absolutely nothing and Just write it off as "normal wear and tear" then send it back to you.

Never will i buy Canadian made garbage ever again
 
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Ironheart said:
They need to cease production of these rifles immediately and revise their tooling, way to many threads and posts of these same kinda issues happening over and over again.

But they just keep pumping them out and writing the issues off as an isolated incident, it's far from this!

Then when you send your rifle back to Kodiak, they will try a few of thier mags and do absolutely nothing and Just write it off as "normal wear and tear" then send it back to you.

Never will i buy Canadian made garbage ever again
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If you thought you were buying an off the shelf production rifle - you were sadly mistaken.
When I put my $300.00 deposit down on a rifle sight unseen (and untested) it was in support of the Canadian gun manufacturing industry who has to struggle constantly with a government that does little to conceal its contempt for Canadian gun owners.

Secondly, I was looking for a non-restricted black rifle that didn't cost $2500-$3500. None was available until Wolverine released their version.

Did I expect perfection out of the box - nope. Did I hope for it (Yup). But in order to get a sub-1000 dollar rifle with a "&8*^%$%) you Liberal government - priceless.

I've written up a summary of what I found wrong with the rifle (was more annoying than functional). Could they have done things differently? They have admitted as such.

I suspect the fact that so many people wanted this rifle that the numbers through them for a loop. Ramping up production is a difficult process when you weren't expecting the numbers (it is a two edged sword). People are clamouring how they can get the rifle sooner by buying through a dealer or tryng on the EE.

When you have this much interest in a rifle you do not stop production to iron out a few bugs here and there - you build them to satisfy demand. Should the occasional rifle not meet specification - warranty work will take care of it.

If the rifle was as bad as you claim - everybody would be canceling their order and screaming for their deposit back. The EE would be full of unused rifles at rock bottom prices (so they could get rid of them) and new rifle purchases would be non-existent.

I can understand your disappointment with your purchase - for that I am sorry. But unless you can provide me with contrary evidence - I am going to have to go with a new rifle with some development issues.

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Cee-8 said:
I thought I would start a new thread on the problems which have been identified with the WK180C.

Originally Posted by Cee-8 View Post
Updated list of issues with the WK180C (Further to the original posting). I have included Travis's issue with the Magpul Mbus polymer sights.

So here is a list of issues that I have compiled from reading all the sites:

1. Chamber problems. (Original 223 Wylde chambered rifles had some issues in feeding some factory ammo; namely; american independence ammo. Problem was traced back to an out of spec chamber reamer. This was resolved by changing to 556 chamber.)
I've only heard of a few. Quite honestly, I think they installed a bunch of barrels that were short chambered and mixed them up in the process of finish reaming them. Probably due to going full out production and someone being a little too eager in thinking something is ready. Anyhow, mine is early 200s serial and it is fine. I would have preferred to see a blanket notice sent to all owners of the potential issue (like a recall), but I also realize that this may have been difficult to accomplish.

2, Magazine feeding problems. (See Travis Bickle post above and there is a video on youtube by Zee 705 that demonstrates it doesn't work will all mags. Apparently this has been resolved according to highbeam's post but it still may be QC issue and appear in other rifles.)

Blown out of proportion imho. Mine works fine with everything I've tried with the exception of a small sampling. For a $1000 rifle, go buy a couple or a half dozen mags and stop being a cheep c&nt.

3. Charging handle is galling/gouging the inside of the raceway when operated on the left side of the receiver. (Maybe a design issue or possibly the gun is being over gassed. Unfortunately, to keep the prices down, there is no way to adjust the gas system. I will be on the watch for this in my rifle as the round count goes up.)

I haven't heard of this galling. No real comment from me other that of course with a carbine length gas system, these were and are bound to be over gassed. Lube it up, use a grease.

4. The gas block touches the hand guard. (No free float here if there is contact. I haven't heard any recent complaints about this and there was a mention that the company may be milling the block down to overcome this issue.)

Minor issue that calls for some tinkering if it bugs you. I don't think they ever advertised these to be floated or give an accuracy guarantee anyhow, so if it bugs the owner, take it apart and dress the gas block down with a file.

5. Not a true 1913 picatinny rail. (The top of the rail is to spec but not the sides. This is creating a issue in which some optics and mounting systems do not work. Not an easy fix as the receiver would have to be redesigned as well as the hand guard. Apparently, the company has only addressed this in the specs by calling it 1913 type rail or something to that effect.) * FURTHER: *** MAGPUL MBUS POLYMER SIGHTS CAN BE MOUNTED BUT THE REAR SIGHT HAS TO BE MODIFIED SO IT CAN BE FLIPPED UP AND DEPLOYED***

I've used and tried good quality piccatiny mounts and sights from KAC, ADM, LaRue, Gieselle, Magpul, aim point, Leopold, Daniel Defense, Troy, Nighforce, Near, Elcan, and Vortex - all worked without a hitch. The ONLY mounting issues I've had is with the crappy mount that comes OEM with the Eotech. I've had other Pic rails on other guns that barfed on that same Eotech sight, so I don't see this as an issue. Like mags, run something that works...

6. Pistol grip angle is not conducive to proper trigger finger placement (Not a real problem, but the trigger finger doesn't fall naturally to the sweet spot in the trigger. People have resorted to modifying various grips with a dremel tool or purchasing the Magpul MOE K which is designed to be more vertical. )

Not a problem at all in my books. It isn't an AR, yet we insist on adapting AR furniture to this (and other) guns. The A2 works just fine but there are other decent options out there.

FEEL FREE TO COPY THIS POST AND INCLUDE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED.
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My thoughts in red above.
I've had and have some concerns, but these things are a home run in my books.
 
When it comes to manufacturing Kodiac has not invented a new revolutionary means of production. Witch means costs are costs and in Canada to make the rifle that cheap corners had to be cut.
This is why the quality is lower than other Canadian made guns. If you pay Norinco prices you get Norinco quality it's that simple. Not saying that Norinco or the WK180 are not good guns. People just need to realize the value of a dollar and You get what you pay for.
 
I don't understand the point of this thread. A Canadian gunshop and a small Canadian firearms manufacturer team up to bring a Canadian made, non restricted rifle to our market for as reasonably cheaply as possible and somehow people expect perfection?

People need to remember, it's a 1000$ budget gun, not a Swiss Arms, DD or KAC AR15. People's expectations are unrealistically high if they expected a better launch then what we had. And quite honestly im satisfied with the one we did have.

My Tavor I had didn't like certain mag types. I didn't see a complaint thread about that. I busted a lug on my Colt soon after buying it. I didn't see the Colt has issues thread either.

Also quite honestly half the complaints out there are just whiney complaints anyways. If the rifle doesn't like your a magazine type, use another. If a Eotech doesn't fit, use a optic from the dozens of others that are available. Instead of focussing on the 10% of stuff that doesn't work on it, why not be happy it can use 90% of the stuff out there?

No rifle is perfect. So survive, overcome and adapt to it. Then be thankful we even have a gunshop and a manufacturer even trying to pull off a venture of this type in today's, antigun political climate being put out by our federal government.
 
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Ebola said:
I don't understand the point of this thread. A Canadian gunshop and a small Canadian firearms manufacturer team up to bring a Canadian made, non restricted rifle to our market for as reasonably cheaply as possible and somehow people expect perfection?

People need to remember, it's a 1000$ budget gun, not a Swiss Arms, DD or KAC AR15. People's expectations are unrealistically high if they expected a better launch then what we had. And quite honestly im satisfied with the one we did have.

My Tavor I had didn't like certain mag types. I didn't see a complaint thread about that. I busted a lug on my Colt soon after buying it. I didn't see the Colt has issues thread either.

Also quite honestly half the complaints out there are just whiney complaints anyways. If the rifle doesn't like your a magazine type, use another. If a Eotech doesn't fit, use a optic from the dozens of others that are available. Instead of focussing on the 10% of stuff that doesn't work on it, why not be happy it can use 90% of the stuff out there?

No rifle is perfect. So survive, overcome and adapt to it. Then be thankful we even have a gunshop and a manufacturer even trying to pull off a venture of this type in today's, antigun political climate being put out by our federal government.
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I thought the purpose of this post was pretty clear. It's not a condemnation of this rifle. The only purpose was to consolidate the issues in one thread that people may or may not experience with this rifle. If you took the time to read #2 you would see that I have stated that a lot of these issues have been resolved or were specific to a few rifles.

Someone defined " Politically Correct" as being the elevation of sensitivity above truth.

This post is just stating the facts that people have experienced with their rifles. If it offends your sensibilities then look away.
 
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I have had my rifle out to the range on two occasions and have shot about 300 rounds through the gun to date. Here are some of my personal observations regarding the above issues:

1. My rifle came with a 556 chamber. No issues chambering any type of ammo including the Independence ammo that was giving the 223 wylde chamber problems. (Looks like this is resolved)

2. I used PMags, Hera, C Products Defense 5/30, RRA Lar-15 pistol mags (10 rounders), and a IWI 5/30 Tavor Mag without any issues at all. I had only two FTF which were early in testing and were caused by me following the charging handle while closing. (Looks like this is resolved)

3. After 300 rounds, there is no indication that the charging handle is impacting the inside of the receiver. (Looks like this is a non-issue or just a problem with select rifles)

4. Still touches the hand guard. So no free float here. Gun is pretty accurate, so it doesn't seem to affect it much. (Still an issue).

5. The mount tightening knob on my aimpoint Pro was touching the receiver. Did the same thing on my Ruger PC9 as well. I could have modified it with another washer as suggested but I did the next best thing, I sold it and picked up an aimpoint H2 with aimpoint quick release base - no issues with this base at all. I installed Fab Defense MBus type plastic sights instead of the magpul Mbus variety and they cleared and worked without issue. One point I did notice was that the rear sight had to be moved substantially to the right when zeroed. If the rail, barrel and receiver were in true alignment this could be dead centre. (Still an issue - no a true 1913 pic rail some mounts and sights will give you issues).

6. Was going to order a Magpul MOE K with the improved grip angle to resolved this issue. Instead I just used a dremel and custom fitted Magpul MIAD Grip retaining some of the backstrap. Very comfortable but did nothing to address the grip angle.

7. (New One) There is noticeable loose fit between the upper and lower received. More up down than right left. Not really an issue as far as accuracy goes but they (the manufacturer) made it a point on their youtube video that they had resolved the chronic AR15 rattle by installing a lug in the upper receiver that keyed into the lower to reduce the shake. My former AR15 didn't have this much wobble. Again not a deal breaker and could be resolved with a shim or piece of tape. Didn't affect accuracy.

Bottom Line: It's not restricted. Shoots nice. Fit and finish is very good. Nose heavy but what do you expect with an 18.6" barrel. Action does not get as dirty as an AR. All in all, I am pretty impressed. Not as pretty as an AR but then again I wouldn't win any beauty awards either.
 
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Gentlemen, feel free to post your issues or complaints.

It's a free country after all. Well unless Trudeau gets in for a second term...lol.
 
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I did the o-ring trick to cure the wobble.
With the Geissele "Good-Two-Sides" trigger, she performs like a dream.
The original Wylde chamber eats Independence 5.56 without hiccup (although you could see a bit of engagement marks on the ogive).
MFT, CPD, Hera all good. Don't need any more mags.
All I did was loosen the handguard screws and retighten while holding off, and I can now slide paper around the gas block.
I'm convinced I got WAY more than my money's worth here...
 
Cee-8 said:
Shot another 100 plus rounds through her today but gun went into single action and had to be manually charged to extract and rechamber another round.

Tried cleaning the gas piston system at the range to no avail. When I got home, I discovered that the gas block had moved 1/2" forward obstructing the gas hole coming from the barrel. seems the gas block retaining screw had worked its way loose.

I have read several accounts of others experiencing this problem. I notified Kodiak regarding this assembly or design issue. Check your gas block retainer screw after shooting.

At this point I think a gas block redesign is probably in order. It touches the top of the hand grip and it's a pain in the butt to get disassembled.

They should copy the M+M M10x DMR system. I would pay for the upgrade.
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Just spoke with Kodiak regarding the gas block.

I was informed that the gas block should have been pinned as well as set screwed in place. They were very helpful on this matter and stated that the rifle should be returned so the problem could be resolved. Prompt response to my problem. So the rifle is going back for some warranty work.

I will keep you posted on the turn-a-round time and resolution.
 
Ebola said:
I don't understand the point of this thread. A Canadian gunshop and a small Canadian firearms manufacturer team up to bring a Canadian made, non restricted rifle to our market for as reasonably cheaply as possible and ....
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...and, not to be dismissive or impolite, but threads like these are a part of how aftermarket products/clinics/tips-and-tricks "come to be".... :yingyang:
 
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