Wk180c issues and problems
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That was pure genius. It's the sights thank God or else I would have had to go on a rant about the quality of manufacturing and upset Cameron....lol.
For the record, the company enters into the market because they see an opportunity to fulfill a demand and make a profit. It's my job as a consumer to get the best value for my money. If the product is having problems then I create a thread and tell people about the issues I am having. Maybe these issues are universal. So armed with this information, I can report back to the manufacturer and get it fixed or stop people from buying something that is defective.
At this point, I am very satisfied with the WK180C. Whether I continue to be depends on how this rifle performs in the future. So far a couple of minor issues that I can live with or that have been addressed.
Like I said before. don't let your feelings get in the way of the facts. If they do, then you are becoming politically correct and need to get help. Stop watching 'the view'. Whoopie is getting in your head. LOL.
Feel free to vent on this thread. It's still a free country, well until Trudeau gets a second term anyway.
Thanks for the information regarding the spring. I will send a note back to Kodiak letting them know it's not simply an AR15 drop in replacement.
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Cee-8, when you installed the sights, did you find that there was any interference between the bottom edge of the sight clamps and the top edge of the receiver under the rail? I have a set of sights on mine that required a minute amount of material to be removed before they would clamp down properly; maybe that's your issue? If not, you could continue the idea of reversing them on the rail, but reverse only one or the other. That should correct the problem you're describing...might look a bit silly, though.
So are they and the other Canadian manufacturers who build a product to make money off of Canadian consumers supposed to get a free pass on quality and workmanship just because they're Canadian and they took a risk to make a lot of money off us?
I see no issues in pointing out problems with the rifles as long as people stick to the facts and also contact and give the manufacturer a chance to make it right.
I don't agree with the customer having to pay for shipping to return a defective product but it's no different than any other company in any industry. If your car breaks down you are responsible to have it towed to the dealership for repairs.
I do agree with you to a certain degree though.
If one type of magazine doesn't work then the solution is to stop using that type of magazine. It sucks and it's not how it should be but until someone figures out a solution the fix is to use what works.
But, I do still support guys coming on here posting about it, I want one of these rifles but I want to know what to expect before I buy one. I would never know if it wasn't for threads like this.
When I'm satisfied they've addressed the issues that concern me I'll buy one. That is unless another option comes along before they address the issues with this one. So hurry up Kodiak and Wolverine, when the next latest and greatest comes along you need this to be 99% happy customers or it will be taken over by whatever is next.
Want proof? Look at the 102, problems never ended, stag10 released, 102 sales and prices dropped off. People moved on
I agree with guys holding manufacturers accountable. If they make a product that doesn't deliver as advertised they shouldn't keep making money off guys who don't know any better and threads like this are where guys can find out what types of issues a new product is having.
After they read this stuff they can make an educated decision on whether or not the rifle is worth the risk.
If no one posted problems and manufacturers were never held accountable we would have 100x more options available to us and most would be absolute trash.
Yes, you need to learn to sift through the crap and the legitimate problems but at least the info is out, if it wasn't for the guys posting negatives no one would know anything about the product they're thinking of buying. The manufacturer certainty isn't going to post all the problems they've had to deal with through warranty claims. That's not good advertising.
Bottom line, these are firearms, close enough is NOT good enough. If they can't build it right they shouldn't be building firearms, people could be seriously injured by poor manufacturing. These Canadian manufacturers have been lucky that so far their deficiencies have only caused some customers an inconvenience. Will you still be defending them when someone loses a hand, an eye, or their life when one of these manufacturing errors causes an accident instead of a magazine not fitting?
To me when building firearms you either do it right or you build something else. There is too much at stake to let people with an everyone gets a participation award mentality to be involved.
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I know the problem you are speaking about. One of the others on the thread had an issue with the Magpul MBus (Gen 1) plastic sights. They wouldn't flip up unless some minor filling was performed to the base. That was addressed in my list of issues with the rifle. This was attributed to Kodiak having a picatinny 'type' rail on the WK. The top of the rail was 'pic' spec but the sides were short. I have the flip up FAB DEFENSE sights. They clear the base and can be articulated without modification. Only problem with them is that they aren't true....and make you think you have an off kilter rifle.
I don't think I'm going to keep them on the rifle as some know-it-all at the range will invariably walk up to me and say " Hey buddy you have your sights on the wrong way".
I'm going to send them back and buy a pair of Mbus Pros. They look like they would clear plus they are metal. Never had any issues with Magpu kit ever. If this rifle is going to be a keeper, then I going to put the money into getting good set of backup sights to go with the aimpoint H2 that is sitting on top.
Remember the saying, "Beware of the man with one rifle, because he probably knows how to use it......". There's a lot of neat sayings, like "One riot, one ranger". "The quickest reload is another gun". We could go on for days...
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Might have been my thread...https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1767816-Beltfed-s-WK-180C-Review
I would just replace the extractor spring and plastic cup one-for-one with a quality part.
I would not recommend cutting coils or otherwise modifying one.
Sounds like there’s more problems to this firearm than I thought. I just put my pre order in recently. Having to rely on my firearm for protection in the past I’m a bit anal about reliability. Would you guy think I should cancel my order and suck up a lose of some of my deposit to go for a Maccabee SLR? Or should I just wait for my 180? I’m used to Colt rifles and in thousands of rounds of slow, rapid and full auto I’ve never experienced a failure. My firearms are restricted and prohibited. So I think it’s time to get a non restricted.
My opinion is that the best firearm is the one you have when you need it. The most proven and reliable gun doesn't do you any good if it's double locked in the gun vault at home. The advantages of being non-restricted, is that you can take it to the cottage, farm, gravel pit or for a walk in the woods. Not true with a restricted.
As far as being problematic and dependable, time will tell. Let's face it, if the AR15 was non-restricted this rifle wouldn't exist.
What do I think about the WK so far? I think the platform is pretty sound. It's got good roots in the AR180 platform. It has a lot of AR parts compatibility.
It may be silly, but I grade a firearm in addition to reliability and accuracy, on the ease of disassembly and cleaning. Kind of shows me the thought that went into the engineering. The WK is AR like in that respect. Anyone can design a gun to go boom. But to go boom all the time, be accurate and easily maintained, well that's another storey. For example, I like the Ruger PC9, but what a fiddle to break down and clean.
You just ordered one, so you have time to see how it performs for others before you make your decision.
I'm pretty satisfied with mine. A couple of bugs that Kodiak has addressed. Accurate enough. Cycles all the different magazine types (5) I have tried.
Other than a loose gas block that snuck out of the plant without being pinned, my rifle has been performing well. For a $1,000 there aren't a lot of non-restricted options out there. Used Mini14, or VZ58 if you don't mind the 762x39 round. The newer mini's aren't bad and ruger supplies a picatinny like rail for mounting red dots. Their accuracy can be pretty spotty.
If you spend another $1000 or $1500 you can get something more proven (M&M M10x if you can tolerate the 762x39 round. Tavor if you like bullpups, or the Keltec RDB ). Personally, I have had a lot of ketecs and there a fiddle to get working right. In the back of your mind, you are always waiting for them to fail. Personally, I wouldn't go near one again.
Sorry I'm rambling.
Time will tell if the WK will be a good performer. Looking pretty good so far.
As far as being problematic and dependable, time will tell. Let's face it, if the AR15 was non-restricted this rifle wouldn't exist.
What do I think about the WK so far? I think the platform is pretty sound. It's got good roots in the AR180 platform. It has a lot of AR parts compatibility.
It may be silly, but I grade a firearm in addition to reliability and accuracy, on the ease of disassembly and cleaning. Kind of shows me the thought that went into the engineering. The WK is AR like in that respect. Anyone can design a gun to go boom. But to go boom all the time, be accurate and easily maintained, well that's another storey. For example, I like the Ruger PC9, but what a fiddle to break down and clean.
You just ordered one, so you have time to see how it performs for others before you make your decision.
I'm pretty satisfied with mine. A couple of bugs that Kodiak has addressed. Accurate enough. Cycles all the different magazine types (5) I have tried.
Other than a loose gas block that snuck out of the plant without being pinned, my rifle has been performing well. For a $1,000 there aren't a lot of non-restricted options out there. Used Mini14, or VZ58 if you don't mind the 762x39 round. The newer mini's aren't bad and ruger supplies a picatinny like rail for mounting red dots. Their accuracy can be pretty spotty.
If you spend another $1000 or $1500 you can get something more proven (M&M M10x if you can tolerate the 762x39 round. Tavor if you like bullpups, or the Keltec RDB ). Personally, I have had a lot of ketecs and there a fiddle to get working right. In the back of your mind, you are always waiting for them to fail. Personally, I wouldn't go near one again.
Sorry I'm rambling.
Time will tell if the WK will be a good performer. Looking pretty good so far.
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Cameron SS
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Thanks for the diatribe but no, I am not suggesting anyone get a pass.
What I am suggesting is that this is at least the 20th thread on this topic, categorizing a litany of issues, many of which are user error, or have long ago been addressed by the manufacturer, and this thread offers exactly nothing new in terms of insights or solutions, and it counter productive because like all the other threads wolverine and kodiak will be called upon to respond to yet another slam fest thread when their time is better spent working on their guns.
I met with the guys at Kodiak this week and the guys there are excellent. Many of people complaining are too cheap to spend the 20$ to access their top shelf warranty.
A significant quantity of all guns that come back for warranty have clearly been butchered by amateurs who voided their warranty and no manufacturer should have to pay for that.
As for fixing all the issues before you buy one, instead of taking your advice from a bunh of people who dont own one or are bitter, try having a human conversation with the manufacturers. They will tell you straight up all early issues they had and all of the fixes they have made since gun #1. Pistol grip geometry and pic rail. That aint changing. Its an inherent feature of the receiver dimensions. If you want to know what optics dont fit ask Kodiak. They have a list and its actually quite short.
Extraction issues? They include the spare parts you need to adjust extractor tension with every gun. They will walk you through it over the phone. It takes minutes.
No one is striving for close enough but seriously, someone could get hurt because a mag doesnt fit? Give me a break. Has ANYONE hurt themselves with one of these? Its a 1000 dollar off the shelf gun for the commercial market. Not a Mil Spec service rifle destined for combat.
When Kodiak clears their backlog to deliver the more than 4000 rifles ordered to date, key your eye out for the $6500 elite version with titanium everything, trigger tech trigger, match grade barrel personally autographed by Chuck Norris and includes shooting lessons from unnamed JTF2 snipers.
In mean time, lets try to keep the number of new threads slamming this rifle down to less than one a month. Can we do that?
Well that was an interesting read. Do me a favour and re-read the thread because it's clear you are missing the point.
Again, it's a free country and if you feel this thread is an affront to Kodiak or the WK180C you are entitled to your opinion. Your sadly mistaken though. People have received some rifles that were substandard and weren't happy with their purchase. They expected more and were disappointed. I'm not one of them, but hey if they want to vent, let them vent.
If you took the time to read through the entire thread instead of just cherry picking a few of the negative narratives, you would get the gist that it's a pretty good rifle. Perfect, no, but a good value for money.
There have been a couple of major boo boos with this rifle which have been addressed and resolved by Kodiak. Not just a minor magazine issue, but significant things like improperly cut chambers and gas blocks coming loose to name a few. I think people have a right to know these things. You obviously feel they do not.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." My interpretation of your mantra is that people are generally stupid , unintelligent and misinformed and deserve the consequences of their ignorant decisions. That's a somewhat cynical view of society, but hey it's a free country to be a negative Nancy if you want.
I disagree. People are generally intelligent and if permitted to see all the data on a subject, both good and bad, have the innate ability to make an informed decision. The key phase here is 'if permitted'.
Where would you have them get this information from? Exclusively from the manufacturer? I think not.
Give me the good with the bad. Statements from the angry and the informed and trust me to sort it out on my own.
Why would I want a titanium elite version blessed by the navy seals and Steven Segal, when the plane Jane version will do just as good a job for a $1,000.
P.S: I need a mantra too. How about "Feelings are like farts, they bark with authority but really their just a lot of hot air full of sh&t." Give me the facts baby, just the facts.
Again, it's a free country and if you feel this thread is an affront to Kodiak or the WK180C you are entitled to your opinion. Your sadly mistaken though. People have received some rifles that were substandard and weren't happy with their purchase. They expected more and were disappointed. I'm not one of them, but hey if they want to vent, let them vent.
If you took the time to read through the entire thread instead of just cherry picking a few of the negative narratives, you would get the gist that it's a pretty good rifle. Perfect, no, but a good value for money.
There have been a couple of major boo boos with this rifle which have been addressed and resolved by Kodiak. Not just a minor magazine issue, but significant things like improperly cut chambers and gas blocks coming loose to name a few. I think people have a right to know these things. You obviously feel they do not.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." My interpretation of your mantra is that people are generally stupid , unintelligent and misinformed and deserve the consequences of their ignorant decisions. That's a somewhat cynical view of society, but hey it's a free country to be a negative Nancy if you want.
I disagree. People are generally intelligent and if permitted to see all the data on a subject, both good and bad, have the innate ability to make an informed decision. The key phase here is 'if permitted'.
Where would you have them get this information from? Exclusively from the manufacturer? I think not.
Give me the good with the bad. Statements from the angry and the informed and trust me to sort it out on my own.
Why would I want a titanium elite version blessed by the navy seals and Steven Segal, when the plane Jane version will do just as good a job for a $1,000.
P.S: I need a mantra too. How about "Feelings are like farts, they bark with authority but really their just a lot of hot air full of sh&t." Give me the facts baby, just the facts.
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Cameron SS
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I think you should reread MY posts. No where do I saw we should suppress the information.
Take your pick on any of the 20+ threads already going on this topic and feel free to repeat what has already been said dozens of times. You literally quoted from those other threads to start a new one. Why bother? There is nothing new here. In fact you are repeating some of the same flawed complaints as others. It doesnt matter if the gas block touches the handguard or not. Its not a free float because its a piston gun, and even if there was no contact you can flex both the handguard and the barrel to make contact.
You can interpret the quotes as you see fit. Like the original author, I believe freedom of speech is the first and most important freedom. Stay classy.
PS I love my 180. I did have to fiddle with the extractor spring. Otherwise no issues.
Travis Bickle
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Very solid observations I would say.
The free float thing is a moot point on a semi auto short stroke piston. The accuracy of mine when it fired was higher than my expectations.
My biggest issue with it was not the jamming with steel mags, or the chamber too tight, or the feed ramps extending over a large void, or the charging handle eating the inside of the receiver, or paying out of pocket to ship it back to have these problems not caused by me hitting the rifle with a stick like a retard fixed.
In the end my biggest issue with it was that my rifle was a lemon and Joe Smiths down the road was good to go. Full stop.
Consistency of product. That was my major issue and source of frustration.
The rifle has great potential. But it's not consistent product yet. Noone can argue that, I would wager.
Which pains me greatly because all the problems I had aside, part of me really likes it and wishes I would have rolled a better number and got Joe Smiths built on a Thursday.
But I didn't. And that is the real problem with the 180c in my eyes right now.
I'll debate coming back again once I see competent product consistency.
I still applaud WK for taking the plunge and creating this rifle for us. But that's not an excuse for inconsistent product either.
I'm hoping they are reading these very threads. They're smart enough to pick through the BS and use the good advice to refine their product, tighten up their sh*t and put them all out the same. We all win.
And I love the Internet for one reason too; it's not filtered.
I wish I would have seen threads like this before I took a chance because I wouldn't have wasted my time, or maybe I would have got lucky and got the Thursday rifle.
I would have known one thing for sure though, the product is not consistent at this time, so stay away for now.
If I don't like a thread on gunnutz I stop reading it. I suggest people complaining about the content of threads realize the beauty of the Internet is anyone can voice their opinions and there's a back button if you don't like what you're seeing. Don't take the Internet too seriously.
Or throw an opinion in....
Post on freely er'body!
"Guns only have two natural enemies; politicians and rust."
Travis I like your mantra. It's short, to the point and something we can all agree on.
Mine, although wordy, vague and open to interpretation, is somewhat brash and unrefined. Yes not very classy, but at least it's original. I will have to find another.
Travis I like your mantra. It's short, to the point and something we can all agree on.
Mine, although wordy, vague and open to interpretation, is somewhat brash and unrefined. Yes not very classy, but at least it's original. I will have to find another.
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You must have gotten a different spare parts kit than I did.....
4 handguard screws, an e-clip, an allen head set screw (for what?, not listed in parts list) and a white plastic piece I have no idea what it does either - perhaps that is #14 in the manual (upper receiver) with no description in the parts list.
Mine is an early rifle that went back to be re-reamed and I received excellent service from Kodiak.
I'm happy with this rifle especially for the price and have gotten very good groups out of it with handloads.
My only complaint now is the seemingly poor metallurgy in the bolt . The hole where the firing pin goes is now not round and is IMHO oversized. Will see how this pans out.
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I do agree with you that when guys mess with their guns and screw them up the manufacturer should not be repairing those guns for free.
If you don't have a clue what you're doing and you take a dremel to your gun based on the advice you got from an internet forum you should have to pay for the repairs. You don't mess with it and ruin it then expect warranty.
I have spoken with Wolverine, and I believe this is a good rifle but as Travis points out they have consistency problems. They should all be the same and have the same problems, not just a random rifle here and there. They're all built with the same machines and assembled and tested by the same people so why do some work and some don't? Consistency.
I don't care about the rail or the grip geometry. Most of my mounts are adjustable and I can adapt to almost any grip.
You're missing my point, it's about building every part right every time. If a tolerance slips here or there and causes a magazine not to feed right or a rail is slightly out of spec no one is getting hurt but it's just as easy to have another tolerance slip where things are more critical. How do we know and how do you know that these harmless MISTAKES will always just be a magazine catch or rail tolerance?
They've already cut a bunch of chambers wrong, that could have been worse than it was.
I have no idea what you do for work but in my industry we look for problems and deficiencies before they become a problem. We don't wait for someone to get hurt or killed before we change things to make them safer. You're basically saying that no one has been hurt yet so manufacturing inconsistencies is not a problem.
And it being a commercial rifle and not a military grade firearm headed to combat is exactly why these need to be built better. In the military guys are trained to service their rifles, civilians just give the retailer their money and are sent home to figure it out. The military guys should know what to look for and how to identify problems, they also have an armourer available to troubleshoot any issues. The civilian comes on sites like this for advice when they can't figure out what's wrong.
And for any of those out there that don't know any better. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Wylde chamber. I actually prefer my 223's to have it. Them cutting it wrong is not a flaw with the Wylde chamber, it's a flaw in their manufacturing.
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https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...p-solution?p=15397819&viewfull=1#post15397819
FWIW I got some at my local auto parts store for 5 cents each
1/16 wide, 5/8 OD, 1/2 ID
As per my post 57 above - what did you get in your parts kit? Stuff seems to be missing in mine.
