Wk180c issues and problems

[Cee-8]

Rdb is garbage,we all know that. but that s no excuse for so many issues that the wk180 could have avoided since the get go.

Rdb is garbage,we all know that. but that s no excuse for so many issues that the wk180 could have avoided since the get go.

Ya, I would agree about the RDB. There are already several videos and threads posted on the failure of the recoil spring assembly. There is difficulty clearing jams and it's hard proving it safe. Glad I never got it. My past experience with Keltec made me very cautious to trust them again. So I passed.

If the WK had been a direct copy, true to the original design of the AR180B, then the issues would have been less. They tried to improve the design of the AR180B which was somewhat outdated, and for the most part they were successful. The receivers are more robust and they integrated more AR15 parts in their design enhancements. A bonus to the consumer since AR parts are plentiful and affordable.

So the result of these improvements was that the first couple of hundred new owners became the unknowing beta testers. With feedback from us, they were able to tweak their design and manufacturing process and resolve the issues encountered with the first batch of rifles. To be fair to kodiak, they have been pretty upfront with the consumers for the most part. Their customer service department is the best I have every experienced....and I do mean ever. Owen is the best. Phone calls and emails returned right away. Great communication back and forth. No complaints here.

What's the bottom line? They have the best semi auto non-restricted black rifle on the Canadian market (for $1,000).
Would I buy it again? Absolutely. Especially since I helped them through their teething problems....lol.

 

[Tacticalvin]

First 100 rounds down range, and no hiccups as of yet. All accessories and attachments are snapping into place without a problem. Really enjoying this NR Black Rifle made in Windsor, ON! Keep it up KODIAK!

 

[HeK]

What's everyone's experience with inserting mags on a closed bolt?

I had no issues with the included Hera mags or CPD LAR-15 pistol mags, but I couldn't get my MFT pistol mags to seat.
I did figure out that if you sand 2mm from the end of the follower 'tail' on the MFT mags, it allows for enough additional travel to let the mag catch engage.

 

[cr5]

What's everyone's experience with inserting mags on a closed bolt?

I had no issues with the included Hera mags or CPD LAR-15 pistol mags, but I couldn't get my MFT pistol mags to seat.
I did figure out that if you sand 2mm from the end of the follower 'tail' on the MFT mags, it allows for enough additional travel to let the mag catch engage.

Those are magazine problems not rifle problems. Whoever pinned the mags did a crappy job and pinned to 5 and not 5.5.

 

[diegocn]

My rifle is from the first batch they ship out. These are the problems I've encountered since I took delivery late July 2018:
- Gas block was loose, which caused piston rod to mis-align and eventual a broken piston rod. Kodiak took care of it like a champ with 1 day turn around time.
- Magnet on charging handle was loose. Kodiak took care of it together with the piston rod without me even mentioning it.
- Screw for stock adapter got loose about 400 rounds in. This was a bit of a bummer, as I need castle nut wrench to access the screw and couldn't fix it at the range. Fixed by blue locktite and added a locking washer.
- Pistol grip screw got loose at the same time. This is my own fault. I put a BCM pistol grip on, the original screw was too long, so I shimmed it with a couple of washers. The lock washer didn't quite bite into the shim washers. Fixed by cutting the original screw and replaced lock washer.

Overall, I think it's a nice rifle for the price. But I've learned to not depend on it in a critical situation until all the small issue has been ironed out by few hundred rounds first.

 

[cyclone]

... Would you consider the Su-16 to be top tier or a value gun as well? No personal experience here with that one, but there's a lot on the net about the plastic receivers breaking. Isn't that the point about keltec, there a cheaper option that is kind of innovative. Sort of gun you use to get yourself home during a "zombie apocalypse" lol (I really hate that term), so you can get to the gun you can rely on. ...

I keep asking just which ammo was used in cases of the SU-16 "receiver cracks"; it often seems to have been the result of lower-quality, higher-charged brands (or handloads) during the rifle's life?

 

[cr5]

I keep asking just which ammo was used in cases of the SU-16 "receiver cracks"; it often seems to have been the result of lower-quality, higher-charged brands (or handloads) during the rifle's life?

That's a pretty poor excuse for a receiver failure, it shouldn't matter what ammo was being used unless it was handloads with way overpressure loads or a completely inappropriate powder choice. Any other rifle could run those "higher charged" brands without issues. Those higher charged are only slightly hotter than a normal round, it's not like they are running overpressure.
I think the receiver cracks are from a poor design, poor plastic quality, owner abuse, one or any number of reasons but I've never heard of any other rifles breaking their receivers from running factory or handloads whether the loads are hot or not. It's not like guys are getting 3000fps from the regular stuff and 4000fps from the higher charged loads or from handloads, the pressure differences would be minimal between the rounds that are only 100fps different from each other, and the rifle should have some safety margins build in to compensate for different ammo types.

 

[HeK]

Those are magazine problems not rifle problems. Whoever pinned the mags did a crappy job and pinned to 5 and not 5.5.

The MFT pistol mags aren't pinned. They are 10/10 round.
They are designed to have an additional 3mm of travel when fully loaded. Seems that you need 5mm to seat in the WK180 against the bolt.

 

[cr5]

The MFT pistol mags aren't pinned. They are 10/10 round.
They are designed to have an additional 3mm of travel when fully loaded. Seems that you need 5mm to seat in the WK180 against the bolt.

Well, either way, it's a magazine problem (that you've found a solution to), there should be enough room in them to almost push another round in.

 

[Unholysavage]

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[cr5]

Good to know that the MFT mags may cause issues, was thinking of picking up a couple.
Mine has been flawless using CPD pistol mags, G3 5/30 Magpuls and the two Heras it came with. Bolt closed or open, they all seat, feed and eject perfectly. Think I will stick with what works...

You could always just lock back before you load then it will be locked back at mag changes and will be no issue. Why start on a closed bolt anyway?

 

[Yycbulletsandbrass]

You could always just lock back before you load then it will be locked back at mag changes and will be no issue. Why start on a closed bolt anyway?

Perhaps to top up??

 

[Unholysavage]

Did it to see if I could induce a failure to seat or feed on a full mag. More out of curiosity than anything else, after reading about this being an issue for some people here.
I was also gleefully fooling around with my new RWA bolt release between mags, and couldn't be bothered to reach into the magwell to lock back every time haha

 

[cr5]

Perhaps to top up??

Ya, I guess you need that for tactical reloads. We only start with 5 or 10 though and we're not at war so I just casually change mags when it locks back.
I guess that if I was competing or something it would matter more to me. But then again, if I was going to be competing this isn't the rifle I would grab.

 

[Yycbulletsandbrass]

Ya, I guess you need that for tactical reloads. We only start with 5 or 10 though and we're not at war so I just casually change mags when it locks back.
I guess that if I was competing or something it would matter more to me. But then again, if I was going to be competing this isn't the rifle I would grab.

It's non restricted, some folks walk the bush with these rifles. More rounds is always better.

 

[cr5]

It's non restricted, some folks walk the bush with these rifles. More rounds is always better.

It's the rifles I walk around with in the bush that I need less rounds in. I don't just walk around doing mag dumps and practicing tactical reloads. Kinda hard to shoot coyotes if you're making a bunch of noise blasting every tree you walk past.

 

[jjohnwm]

It's the rifles I walk around with in the bush that I need less rounds in. I don't just walk around doing mag dumps and practicing tactical reloads. Kinda hard to shoot coyotes if you're making a bunch of noise blasting every tree you walk past.

 

[Yycbulletsandbrass]

It's the rifles I walk around with in the bush that I need less rounds in. I don't just walk around doing mag dumps and practicing tactical reloads. Kinda hard to shoot coyotes if you're making a bunch of noise blasting every tree you walk past.

Try thinking outside the small box. Not everyone hunts coyotes, not everyone feels the need to mag dump. There are plenty of other situations where more rounds is better. In fact, every situation, more rounds are better. If more was less, you would be walking around with a single shot or a muzzle loader. I bet you don't.

 

[jjohnwm]

There are plenty of other situations where more rounds is better. In fact, every situation, more rounds are better.

In fact...no. Sure, there are times when having a bunch of rounds on tap can be fun. But while it can sometimes be fun to shoot 10 quick rounds in succession...it's always more weight to carry and will affect the balance of your firearm, and it's always necessary to have a longer magazine sticking out the bottom of the gun and screwing up the carry of the gun.

You may always, in "every situation", need as much firepower on tap as possible whenever you pick up a firearm; but many of us can enjoy shooting a semi today, and then enjoy shooting a single shot or a muzzle loader tomorrow just as much, or more. So...which of us has his thinking confined to a small box?

 

[cr5]

Try thinking outside the small box. Not everyone hunts coyotes, not everyone feels the need to mag dump. There are plenty of other situations where more rounds is better. In fact, every situation, more rounds are better. If more was less, you would be walking around with a single shot or a muzzle loader. I bet you don't.

I have a muzzle loader but you're right about that one, definitely needs more rounds.

I want to drill the rivets out of my magazines just like everyone else. More rounds are better but definitely not going to mean the difference between life and death out in the bush playing with your rifle. More rounds also means more barrel heat which translates into a decrease in accuracy in rifles with cheap barrels like this one. And according to CGN there is nothing more important than having a NR semi auto that can shoot 1 moa or better.
Didn't this start out as guy not being able to insert a mag on a closed bolt? Buy mags that have been riveted better or in the case of the whatever brand 10 round mag the guy was having problems with just load 9 and move on.