WK308-A. The concept

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FWIW it's hard to get a AR-esque 308 under a real world 8.0 lbs dry if you are built around a standard DPMS G1/AR-10 style reciever. My BCL 102 has some of the lightest components out there and sits right at 8.0 lbs dry, including the lightweight Criterion 18.5" barrel, ultralight 10 oz (including hardware) SLR Helix handguard, SLR 1 oz muzzle brake, SLR 1.5 oz gas block. I could get it to about 7.5 lbs if I went with a MFT Minimalist stock and a titanium BCG. Also note that MFG specs don't always line up with real world weights. The pencil barreled SCAR-17S is supposed to be 8.0 lbs and yet what I've seen on forums puts them closer to 9 lbs. Same with other AR-308 pattern rifles that mysteriously end up oz's heavier than what the spec sheet says.

IMO to get a 308 under 8.0 lbs dry in the real world without expensive parts like Titanium BCG's or 7075-T6 / carbon fiber ultralight handguards you'd have to use:

1) A pencil profile barrel like a Faxon Pencil or Big Gunner
2) Non-free float clamshell plastic handguard
3) Lightweight adjustable stock like a Minimalist (best case) or a cheap/rattley POS like the IMI that comes on the BCL102 (worst case)
 
A price around $1500.
Reliable.
Accuracy around 1-2 MOA.
Ability to take as many DPMS standard 308 parts as possible. Barrels, bolts, handguards/freefloat tubes.
Xcr-M/SR25 mags.
Decent weight without sacrificing accuracy/reliability.
Rifle length gas system. Most people are going to run this NR and running a rifle length system will give people the most choice for aftermarket NR barrels.

Thanks for putting in the effort in for all of us!
 
DaveMachine said:
A price around $1500.
Reliable.
Accuracy around 1-2 MOA.
Ability to take as many DPMS standard 308 parts as possible. Barrels, bolts, handguards/freefloat tubes.
Xcr-M/SR25 mags.
Decent weight without sacrificing accuracy/reliability.
Rifle length gas system. Most people are going to run this NR and running a rifle length system will give people the most choice for aftermarket NR barrels.

Thanks for putting in the effort in for all of us!
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Strongly agreed on the rifle length gas system.
Smoothest shooting, most reliable and easiest on the parts especially if you guys are going piston vice impingement.
 
Keep it cheaper than the bcl 102. Maybe try a modern model like the wk-180 as that will sell best. But also offer retro furniture. Thinking something that can accept FAL parts. Or at least make a modern tactical version and offer a retro model with FAL look alike parts. Please whatever the decision, have either sr-25 or m14 mags standard. On a side note as long as im dreaming, how about a WR762 in.308 that takes m14 mags and looks like a dragunov?
 
tiriaq said:
If the rifle were designed and manufactured to use AICS pattern magazines, would that make all AICS pattern magazines subject to 5 round limit?

Look what happened with the Ruger 10/22 magazine.
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No. If some schmuck makes an AICS mag and labels it "for semi-auto rifles", then his lone mag would be limited to 5 rounds. But AICS are "designed and manufactured" for bolt action rifles, not for semi-auto. That's clear, as there is clealy not a single semi-auto available that uses AICS pattern magazines. Actually, most manufacturer sell them as "Rem700 AICS pattern magazine" (due to the remington700 being a very common rifle using AICS magazines) or "bolt-action AICS magazine".

The courts will declare that 10/22 magazines that are not identified as specifically for the charger to be non-prohibited. It's just a matter of time.
 
VinnyQC said:
... But AICS are "designed and manufactured" for bolt action rifles, not for semi-auto. That's clear, as there is clealy not a single semi-auto available that uses AICS pattern magazines..
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Uh, well except for this one if the specific suggestion being discussed is adopted.
 
SR25 mag

pencil profile, DPMS pattern barrel. Most common, and lightweight

DPMS high handguard, most common handguard available

DI gas system for best barrel/handguard compatibility

mil-spec trigger, stock, etc.
 
JaredP said:
SR25 mag

pencil profile, DPMS pattern barrel. Most common, and lightweight

DPMS high handguard, most common handguard available

DI gas system for best barrel/handguard compatibility

mil-spec trigger, stock, etc.
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You were on a roll until you said DI. I would only be down for this if it brought costs down significantly which I doubt it will.
 
driller212 said:
You were on a roll until you said DI. I would only be down for this if it brought costs down significantly which I doubt it will.
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DI is inherently more precise, less complex, cheaper, and more compatible with standard (mil-spec) parts.

piston offers no advantage besides cleanliness. and that alone is not worth bolting a reciprocating mass to your barrel.
 
Price $1500-1750, closer to 1500 the better
AR parts compatibility
Sr25 magazines, they are cheaper than acis magazines.
 
Bombsquad68 said:
FWIW it's hard to get a AR-esque 308 under a real world 8.0 lbs dry
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POF Revolution is a 7.3 lb AR15 hybrid chambered in 308, there is no reason why a NR hybrid of wolverines current 223 offering can't be made to fire 308 without going to the larger AR10 size and weight.
 
DI would be preferable if it's possible.
Primarily because it would then be full compatible with AR10 available DPMS pattern barrels, FSB's, gas tubes etc etc
The AR15 DI system is awesome. The venting of excess gas from the side of the bolt is ingenious. Even a bad frankenbuilt heavily overgassed setup will be somewhat protected by this feature.
A simplified DI system which will mate up with a standard AR10 gas tube would be very interesting.
Mechanically some kind of combination of the AR180 bolt carrier and bolt with an amalgamation of a gas key on top and a cross bored venting hole behind the bolt ala AR15/AR10.
Essentially a reduced complexity DI AR15/AR10 carrier.
Would be interesting but I would assume this would raise the cost of the overall product due to development and design sadly.
 
I'll be honest if you get too close to BCL 102 prices, i will take one of those instead and guaranteed alot of people will agree with me. Separate yourself from the BCL by a few hundred dollars at least and you will sell way more.
 
Scotty454 said:
Lol there's optimism for you! Haha

And also, guideline or not, a business cannot reasonably sell a firearm to a consumer without a classification. If they sold them all as NR, and they came back as restricted or worse, they would be in a pile of trouble.

(Can't tell if you were kidding, or just not real bright)
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Please explain your point of view, I need educating. I am unaware of anything in the CC or regulations that says a firearm has to be "Classified" before it can be sold. Classified as what? By who?

If we start selling WK180-C rifles before an FRT is issued then we are selling a firearm that meets all the existing criteria for a non restricted firearm. If after the sale, anyone disputes that the firearm is anything other than a non restricted firearm the owner is on their own.

Let's be very clear Wolverine Supplies has been open, honest and transparent about this from day one. If any one is not happy they are free to cancel their order for a full,cash refund less the $50 admin fee.
 
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