Wolf cull poll

[surplusshooter]

So you didn't want to "shoot it," but you were fine with crippling it and cause it a protracted death... if you are going to shoot, then shoot to kill. JMO.

no when I finaly shot at one rather than over head, I shot him. Was shooting over their heads earlier to convince them that my home was no longer a source of easy food however after two weeks of that, had to take one out. After the one was killed did not see them again. In the last few years had only had foxes, which the cat was able to scare off somehow, but she's old now, and a new pup adds to the worry of having coyotes around now and hybrids.

 

[Chuckbuster]

I doubt very much that the wolves are to blame. That they are currently preying on a declining population may not be helpful to the situation, but, responsible for it, no. Habitat change, resource depletion and human causes are far more likely to be higher up on the list of suspects. As someone alluded to earlier, once the energy expended in trying to locate and subdue scarce prey exceeds the benefit (energy) obtained from consuming it, predators like wolves will switch to alternate food sources ( this is why there are only so many trophic levels within an ecosystem...ever wonder why there are no other bigger, badder predators hunting great whites, for example?). Of course, being opportunistic feeders, wolves will kill and eat any caribou they happen to inadvertently cross paths with. Predator culls are mostly beneficial to those who dislike predators for being predators.

 

[Chuckbuster]

Where I live wolf numbers are through the roof. 3 big packs roam around our town alone. No moose or deer to be seen. Got no problem with a cull. Wondering when they will be doing a coyote cull too...

I doubt they are animals from three packs. Wolves are very territorial and would not tolerate strangers being so close to or within their territory.

 

[Ardent]

Of course wolves aren't to blame. Utterly every issue in the world environmentally is a human one. That does not mean we should sit back and ignore what's going on, unless you think we're all going to stop driving, living in individual and heated homes, buying vehicles / rifles / TVs / beef / flying to vacations, and having kids. That's not going to happen, so we have to mitigate our effects on the balances we destroy.

 

[fraserdw]

Wildlife management by opinion poll that works I bet.

 

[CV32]

Lack of natural predators has led to the superabundance of whitetail deer. While hunters may be in favour of this, it isn't as good for the ecosystem.

A lot of hunters need to learn a great deal more about wildlife. Its not all about guns, bullets, trucks, and ATVs.

 

[45ACPKING]

I doubt very much that the wolves are to blame. That they are currently preying on a declining population may not be helpful to the situation, but, responsible for it, no. Habitat change, resource depletion and human causes are far more likely to be higher up on the list of suspects. As someone alluded to earlier, once the energy expended in trying to locate and subdue scarce prey exceeds the benefit (energy) obtained from consuming it, predators like wolves will switch to alternate food sources ( this is why there are only so many trophic levels within an ecosystem...ever wonder why there are no other bigger, badder predators hunting great whites, for example?). Of course, being opportunistic feeders, wolves will kill and eat any caribou they happen to inadvertently cross paths with. Predator culls are mostly beneficial to those who dislike predators for being predators.

So... You don't live in BC do you?
And my bet is you live in the city somewhere ?
Have you spent any prolonged time in the BC interior?
I live 50 km off the beaten path, 6 hours north of vancouver in BC's interior. I hunt, fish, prospect and play in BC.
We have a problem here and don't need the "wolf lovers and Peta supporters posting their narrow minded, self serving, anti hunting bull####e in every wolf thread
if yer not from here, don't pretend you know what's good for BC, it's wolves or it's ungulates.
I've seen far too many carcasses on the ice around here that were only partially consumed. That is from wolves killing for fun, something else they apparently do.
I'm for the wolf cull.

 

[CV32]

I've seen far too many carcasses on the ice around here that were only partially consumed. That is from wolves killing for fun, something else they apparently do. I'm for the wolf cull.

Partial prey consumption has nothing to do with "fun". Talk about assigning "city" (human) behaviours to the natural world. And yes, sometimes it is necessary to cull wildlife, including predators.

 

[45ACPKING]

Partial prey consumption has nothing to do with "fun". Talk about assigning "city" (human) behaviours to the natural world. And yes, sometimes it is necessary to cull wildlife, including predators.

Our local CO refered to the behavior as "wolves killing for fun" after fly arounds in our area were performed by helicopter over the past few winters revealed many partially consumed moose out on the ice of various lakes in our region.

 

[CV32]

Our local CO refered to the behavior as "wolves killing for fun" after fly arounds in our area were performed by helicopter over the past few winters revealed many partially consumed moose out on the ice of various lakes in our region.

Not surprising. There is a lot of misunderstanding going on, and it only serves to widen the divide between hunters and non-hunters when "non-science" is repeated by people who ought to take the time to find out more (especially when it concerns their occupation).

 

[45ACPKING]

Ya, I'll tell Glen that, a CO with extensive wildlife biology background and a CO in BC for several decades.
I'll take his comments and thoughts to heart over some guys on the internet that talk about "science and misunderstanding"

 

[CV32]

Ya, I'll tell Glen that, a CO with extensive wildlife biology background and a CO in BC for several decades.
I'll take his comments and thoughts to heart over some guys on the internet that talk about "science and misunderstanding"

Go ahead. There is plenty of research on the subject matter available. "Glenn" might also tell us what other hobbies wolves might have for "fun" and spending their spare time.

Btw, to be clear, I completely support the proper management of predators (such as wolves) and as I said, sometimes that might mean a cull is necessary. But we don't need to repeat or spread silly nonsense like "wolves kill for fun" or make ridiculous comments like "wipe em out" to justify it. Its not good science, and it just harms good wildlife management practise (including hunting) instead of helping it.

 

[45ACPKING]

I never said wipe em out, yer putting words in my mouth now.
In the end it's okay to have our own opinions. I actually live here and have seen first hand the explosion of wolf populations and the resulting effects. Here we are having issues with calves and fawns being taken out in spring. VERY few does with fawns this year and last, yet lots of bucks around and 5 mild winters in a row. Kinda makes a guy wonder.

 

[Grock-co]

How does this go use the snakes to control the rats, use mongooses to control the snakes, and what controls the mongoose???

 

[CV32]

I never said wipe em out, yer putting words in my mouth now.

I didn't say you did. But its a comment often heard, including elsewhere in this thread.

In the end it's okay to have our own opinions. I actually live here and have seen first hand the explosion of wolf populations and the resulting effects. Here we are having issues with calves and fawns being taken out in spring. VERY few does with fawns this year and last, yet lots of bucks around and 5 mild winters in a row. Kinda makes a guy wonder.

Yep, there are very good reasons for controlling wolf populations. Just as we manage any other game species.

 

[Chuckbuster]

So... You don't live in BC do you?
And my bet is you live in the city somewhere ?
Have you spent any prolonged time in the BC interior?
I live 50 km off the beaten path, 6 hours north of vancouver in BC's interior. I hunt, fish, prospect and play in BC.
We have a problem here and don't need the "wolf lovers and Peta supporters posting their narrow minded, self serving, anti hunting bull####e in every wolf thread
if yer not from here, don't pretend you know what's good for BC, it's wolves or it's ungulates.
I've seen far too many carcasses on the ice around here that were only partially consumed. That is from wolves killing for fun, something else they apparently do.
I'm for the wolf cull.

In reply: Nope. Nope...but according to census data I do...but anyway...Nope. PETA? Nope. Narrow minded? Look in the mirror. We had three dogs in the adjacent small community killed by predators the other night and I do not allow my dogs to be loose or outside without my presence for that reason. I am familiar with wolves and their behaviour; killing for fun? Nope; they do normally return to partially consumed carcasses.

 

[okanagan199]

In reply: Nope. Nope...but according to census data I do...but anyway...Nope. PETA? Nope. Narrow minded? Look in the mirror. We had three dogs in the adjacent small community killed by predators the other night and I do not allow my dogs to be loose or outside without my presence for that reason. I am familiar with wolves and their behaviour; killing for fun? Nope; they do normally return to partially consumed carcasses.

i do agree with some of your points, but I have a big problem with others. I think you should have done more research on the current wolf population and plans in BC before you said what you did. I agree we as humans have knocked things out of whack, but we have to tools to help out. which include habitat restoration, culls, and other means. sad reality is habitat restoration does not happen to nearly the scale it should. another huge problem, is developing the winter range. it is very frustrating.

I really have a problem when you say culls in bc wont work, they do work, and have in the past. I know guys like to throw around the "science" word on online forums, but to be honest I have a hard time buying a lot of what you guys say, because someone said it is proven by science. especially when it has to do with a wolf cull. because for some reason wolves are a symbol among nature lovers. they will spew and twist numbers to no end to "save" the wolf.

 

[CV32]

I really have a problem when you say culls in bc wont work, they do work, and have in the past. I know guys like to throw around the "science" word on online forums, but to be honest I have a hard time buying a lot of what you guys say, because someone said it is proven by science. especially when it has to do with a wolf cull. because for some reason wolves are a symbol among nature lovers. they will spew and twist numbers to no end to "save" the wolf.

Science shouldn't be a dirty word for hunters and anglers. Its critical to effective wildlife management, and good science makes it possible for hunting and angling to continue, so that there is still something of the natural world to enjoy and we can pass on to our children.

 

[okanagan199]

Science shouldn't be a dirty word for hunters and anglers. Its critical to effective wildlife management, and good science makes it possible for hunting and angling to continue, so that there is still something of the natural world to enjoy and we can pass on to our children.

fair enough, my point came across a little different than i wanted it to. i know we kneed bios, and they do a good job. but look at a lot of the papers on the wolf culls and see if they are from a legitimate unemotional and unbiased source.

 

[CV32]

fair enough, my point came across a little different than i wanted it to. i know we kneed bios, and they do a good job. but look at a lot of the papers on the wolf culls and see if they are from a legitimate unemotional and unbiased source.

Yes, there is definitely a need to sort the wheat from the chaff. And the bias is pretty clear when you read those kinds of "studies" and who sponsored them.