Wolverine's WK180-C

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Forgive me if this is a stupid question but the FRT does have to be issued before you can actually start shipping rifles out to customers, correct? Just trying to figure out if awaiting a FRT could cause delays as we all know the powers that be work at their own pace.
 
wow finally no NR tax. always love wolverine.

I am saving the NRT for those worthy customers who have always accused us of exploiting the Canadian market. It has already been said we could have sold this rifle for $1,250.00 or even $1,500.00 I trust I have made my point. We have even offered a healthy discount for Canadian dealers.
 
Forgive me if this is a stupid question but the FRT does have to be issued before you can actually start shipping rifles out to customers, correct? Just trying to figure out if awaiting a FRT could cause delays as we all know the powers that be work at their own pace.

Wrong, the FRT is not a legal requirement, just a Firearms reference Table that is available for authorities to consult.
 
I am saving the NRT for those worthy customers who have always accused us of exploiting the Canadian market. It has already been said we could have sold this rifle for $1,250.00 or even $1,500.00 I trust I have made my point. We have even offered a healthy discount for Canadian dealers.

You guys are great. Im pretty sure there is a certain forum member/importer that is pooping their pants right now. Lets hope and pray that they dont attempt a repeat of the NEA slagging campaign.
Ethical business always triumphs in a free market.

I am so amped for this. Thank you guys so much making this happen. By the sounds of it this rifle will soon become a staple in canadian safes.
 
I am saving the NRT for those worthy customers who have always accused us of exploiting the Canadian market. It has already been said we could have sold this rifle for $1,250.00 or even $1,500.00 I trust I have made my point. We have even offered a healthy discount for Canadian dealers.

HA, I think I know who you have in mind for atleast 1 of them in this board ;)
 
I think its bad news for a lot of NR 223 rifles....This will definitively cause the Macdef upper and lower sale to either screetch to a halt or slow down considerably....AR15 mags, AR15 interchangeable barrels, hand guards, pistol grip, trigger groups....definitively has everything but Direct Impingement system of the Macdef (AR15).

I'm probably gonna replace the factory barrel with a high quality heat treated and stress relieved pencil barrel design from the likes of Faxon. Proven to have a much smaller point of impact compared to original pencil barrels.

This rifle is bad news for those on the Equipment Exchange, trying to sell AR-180Bs for 2K.
 
You guys are awesome, my wallet is going to take a hell of a beating!

Can you sell me one of them mag trees? I would even be down for the over ripe mags.
 
I think its bad news for a lot of NR 223 rifles....This will definitively cause the Macdef upper and lower sale to either screetch to a halt or slow down considerably....AR15 mags, AR15 interchangeable barrels, hand guards, pistol grip, trigger groups....definitively has everything but Direct Impingement system of the Macdef (AR15).

I'm probably gonna replace the factory barrel with a high quality heat treated and stress relieved pencil barrel design from the likes of Faxon. Proven to have a much smaller point of impact compared to original pencil barrels.

I don't see our WK180C as direct competition to the Maccabee Defense, they are offering a matched receiver set that takes all existing AR15 parts that should give match grade performance. I see our WK180-C an economy utility rifle, there is a place for both.
 
I am still a little cloudy on the FRT thing. So if I am stopped by police and no FRT, how am I to prove that it is non restricted. Also as no specific FRT exists at this time for this model could not the RCMP make a stink and make it prohib or Restricted just for spite. You know what happened when the Molan Labe and picture was put on a VZ. Could they still not make problems?. And do we get a refund if we are left with a gun I cannot use? I ordered one but am a little leery now thinking of this.
 
Even being a short stroke gas piston gun, with a quality barrel there is no reason this can not perform in the same arena as other quality piston guns like the SIG PE-90 or the APC223.
It would appear that the barrel and gas system is floated from the handguard, giving it an edge over those Swiss guns to boot.

I suspect it will kill not only the AR-180b market, but could very well take a nice big chunk out of current restricted and non-restricted rifle market share as well.
 
I am still a little cloudy on the FRT thing. So if I am stopped by police and no FRT, how am I to prove that it is non restricted. Also as no specific FRT exists at this time for this model could not the RCMP make a stink and make it prohib or Restricted just for spite. You know what happened when the Molan Labe and picture was put on a VZ. Could they still not make problems?. And do we get a refund if we are left with a gun I cannot use? I ordered one but am a little leery now thinking of this.

This is what I am worried about! I think maybe a few pages of info on this gun as well as the AR180b FRT might be enough
 
Even being a short stroke gas piston gun, with a quality barrel there is no reason this can not perform in the same arena as other quality piston guns like the SIG PE-90 or the APC223.
It would appear that the barrel and gas system is floated from the handguard, giving it an edge over those Swiss guns to boot.

I hope you are correct.

A NR semi-auto that can hold decent accuracy for not too many dollars would be great. At $1,000 you can experiment without losing your shirt if things don't work out.
 
This is what I am worried about! I think maybe a few pages of info on this gun as well as the AR180b FRT might be enough

You think that will be enough for most officers that don't know the firearms laws let alone to know how to compare FRT's. I see guys getting slapped with court cases. I hope not but this bothers me that there is not an official FRT for this specific model. I can't see Wolverine or Kodiak paying for my court costs to fight should it come to that. I just don't trust the powers that be that they won't use this against us.
 
I am still a little cloudy on the FRT thing. So if I am stopped by police and no FRT, how am I to prove that it is non restricted. Also as no specific FRT exists at this time for this model could not the RCMP make a stink and make it prohib or Restricted just for spite. You know what happened when the Molan Labe and picture was put on a VZ. Could they still not make problems?. And do we get a refund if we are left with a gun I cannot use? I ordered one but am a little leery now thinking of this.

The cz858 was changed to prohibited because the lab re-examined a series and felt they were converted full autos. Specific models were given an exception, by specific name, by legislation after public outcry. A very specific list of model names. New model, not in legislation as identical to the list names, means prohib. The named cz858 affected are still converted auto, but now there is an OIC saying they are exempt from prohibition. New model names don't meet that exemption. More about model name, than the Spartan logo.

A gun is either NR, R, or P by the Firearms Act. The Firearms Act is the legislation. The FRT is an encyclopedia of guns based on what they are as per the Firearms Act definitions. An encyclopedia is a list, not a definition, of things.

The lab has said, if they determine the firearm to be prohibited, then the manufacturer is responsible for that, and any ramifications of that. IE Trafficking prohibited firearms. Of course, that means the person in possession of the firearm would need to resolve that issue with the law, and the one with the manufacture of being sold a prohib firearm.

Given the Nodak and Armalite lowers, and how closely it does or doesn't match said lower, is what will be the measuring stick.

Will be interesting to see if this speeds up the lab though. If they had reason to be concerned, it would be in the public interest not to drag their feet on ensuring the classification in their mind is settled before production hits the market.
 
This is what I am worried about! I think maybe a few pages of info on this gun as well as the AR180b FRT might be enough

The lab used to classify guns based on information packages only, and without a physical examination.

Guess what happened next... a few years later. Caused a hornets nest to get kicked over, an OIC to be made to correct their error, and a whole lot of confusion.

Now we wait years while they physically examine every gun the market puts out to ensure they have a decision before sales start.
 
I am still a little cloudy on the FRT thing. So if I am stopped by police and no FRT, how am I to prove that it is non restricted. Also as no specific FRT exists at this time for this model could not the RCMP make a stink and make it prohib or Restricted just for spite. You know what happened when the Molan Labe and picture was put on a VZ. Could they still not make problems?. And do we get a refund if we are left with a gun I cannot use? I ordered one but am a little leery now thinking of this.

Wow you have lot's of questions, let me work through them

Firstly we explained delivery and FRT in detail in the opening press release, we are keeping this as transparent as possible.
You can have a full refund at any time , less a $50 admin charge.
If you get stopped on the highway with a WK180-C, you have a firearm that is not prohibited, is semi auto only with a barrel over 18.5 inches and a OA length over 26 inches. I believe any LE Officer can seize any firearm and send it to their experts for identification, checking barrel length etc. How many LE Officers know how to correctly measure a barrel? I saw a member even ask that question on CGN today.What use would an FRT be? you may have cut the barrel back so she would be prohibited. Everyone needs to understand that the FRT is not Law.
No the RCMP can not make a stink and make it prohibited or restricted out of spite, the RCMP is an honourable Force, this is not Nazi Germany.
The CZ 858 "Debacle" was totally different to this case.
As I said you are welcome to a refund.

Please feel free to ask any more questions if things are still unclear.
 
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