Wolves commit disasterous PR move!
- Thread starter Big Bad
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- Jameson, SK
How's our universe gonna look in 15 years now that it's "unfair" to fail a quiz, test, class, grade, course, diploma, or degree????
I propose those that get the "help of fair" go live with the wolves. Anyone agree?
This is nonsense. Wolves can no more engage in "fun" killing than they can in "cruel" killing. Attaching human behaviours and attributes to a natural phenomenon is a telltale sign of being out of touch with the natural world. Instead, educate yourself. Surplus killing is a well-known behaviour among predatory species.
what happened on Vancouver Island with the wolves and the deer is a good example of what happens when naive and ignorant people insteaabd of wildlife biologists dictate game management. The deer population expanded,likely as a result of forestry and the wolves which had a minimal presence ( people used to say there were 'no wolves on Vancouver Island' ) exploded,to a population of an estimated 1000 animals decimating the deer population to the point they were virtually gone.This was not recognised by the casual observer as the deer moved into urban areas in great abundance to the point they became a nuisance.At the same time,Cougars ( the four footed variety) were seen on a regular basis,where sightings were rare,only once in several years, now Cougars were seen in all areas of the city every few months( the 2 footed variety were always there,but mainly seen in bars)
The wolves now having eaten themselves out of house and home, now turned to domestic animals and were seen closer to urban centers,but pretty much declined in numbers.The deer population is slowly recovering in the bush, but not anywhere to the numbers seen 50 years ago.Elk are increasing in numbers,and moving south ,possably due to relocation.
What people fail to recognise is where ever humans are present the ecosystem is not pristine,roads,farms,logging significantly alter the balance of nature with some species thriving while others decline.Intervention becomes neccesary to preserve some semblance of balance or species risk extinction(ie the Vancouver Island marmot,which would have become extinct without proactive intervention,including predator control)
'Let nature take its course ' only works well in the absence of human activety,otherwise we are subject to wide swings in population including the likelyhood of some species becoming extinct while others take over ( ie urban Geese ,deer, starlings, rabbits etc becoming a nuisance. Regulated hunting and trapping is the most efficient and cost effective method of control.Take that away out of political correctness and you have a much bigger and expensive problem.
Human activety is also a factor in the precence of cougars( the 2 legged species) but so far there is little political will for preditor control and they may even serve as an educational source for 'legal immature males' whom they mainly target on a 'catch and release' recreational basis.
The wolves now having eaten themselves out of house and home, now turned to domestic animals and were seen closer to urban centers,but pretty much declined in numbers.The deer population is slowly recovering in the bush, but not anywhere to the numbers seen 50 years ago.Elk are increasing in numbers,and moving south ,possably due to relocation.
What people fail to recognise is where ever humans are present the ecosystem is not pristine,roads,farms,logging significantly alter the balance of nature with some species thriving while others decline.Intervention becomes neccesary to preserve some semblance of balance or species risk extinction(ie the Vancouver Island marmot,which would have become extinct without proactive intervention,including predator control)
'Let nature take its course ' only works well in the absence of human activety,otherwise we are subject to wide swings in population including the likelyhood of some species becoming extinct while others take over ( ie urban Geese ,deer, starlings, rabbits etc becoming a nuisance. Regulated hunting and trapping is the most efficient and cost effective method of control.Take that away out of political correctness and you have a much bigger and expensive problem.
Human activety is also a factor in the precence of cougars( the 2 legged species) but so far there is little political will for preditor control and they may even serve as an educational source for 'legal immature males' whom they mainly target on a 'catch and release' recreational basis.
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CreamySmooth
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Really?? You're arguing the minutia? Arguing terms when the intent of a post is obvious?? The next time I watch my dog chase a squirrel or something else it lives to do with its tail wagging all excited I'll say "Boy! Stop your surplus killing!! My obvious lack of ability to understand that you, like all canine's out there loves the living crap out of chasing and catch/killing anything that runs is obviously a sign of my mental inability to understand!! The way you bring it to me after all pleased with yourself and hoping for praise again with your tail wagging is nonsense!!".
I've watched them. They sure are having "fun" no matter if you call it "surplus killing"...
Later... I see there's some gophers out now, and I'm gonna go practice some surplus killing!!!
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- Jameson, SK
I have a predator control plan.
Really?? You're arguing the minutia? Arguing terms when the intent of a post is obvious?? The next time I watch my dog chase a squirrel or something else it lives to do with its tail wagging all excited I'll say "Boy! Stop your surplus killing!! My obvious lack of ability to understand that you, like all canine's out there loves the living crap out of chasing and catch/killing anything that runs is obviously a sign of my mental inability to understand!! The way you bring it to me after all pleased with yourself and hoping for praise again with your tail wagging is nonsense!!". I've watched them. They sure are having "fun" no matter if you call it "surplus killing"... Later... I see there's some gophers out now, and I'm gonna go practice some surplus killing!!!
You sure are an excitable fellow. Btw, your dog is not a wolf. Cheerz.
CreamySmooth
CGN frequent flyer
Dude, you said "educate yourself" after getting all worked up over minutia....
What I think is funny is a guy who comes from "The Rock" thinking he knows wolves.... Maybe you moved there so you do?? Anyway news stories seem to think a few have started showing up there again. With a prey population that hasn't seen wolves in 100 years.... We'll see how you like them in 20 years or so....
You're way too angry to carry on an intelligent conversation. But I will leave you with this: Did you know that you can safely come to understand how game management works - and that controlling predator populations is an important element within it - and that you only need to surrender your ignorance to do so. You can still be a hunter, trapper, and angler. Even hunt wolves. Pretty great, huh? Go talk to a predator-prey biologist. Better yet, more than one. It will help.
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I was working with helicopter company up highway 37 in northern BC in 2007 a wolf pack ran a big bull moose into the river and and kept it in the river till it froze it was one of the most exciting things I have witnesses it Took over a week then one day it was like a boomb went off just a massave blood spot of Stained snow
I have seen deer bulldoze over by a black bear on one hunt
The sheer power of the black bear was awesome the deer never stood a chance
Im always excited to witness nature the way it really is and not the National geographic Version
I have seen deer bulldoze over by a black bear on one hunt
The sheer power of the black bear was awesome the deer never stood a chance
Im always excited to witness nature the way it really is and not the National geographic Version
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CreamySmooth
CGN frequent flyer
Exactly how do you get to game management from what I said? Your ability to divert the conversation to an unrelated point makes me wonder how holier than thou you think yourself to be? But it does help you cover up how wrong you were in your first reply....
Also, decrying me "angry" and unable to pursue a conversation is straight out of the Liberal playbook and resorted to when you've hit the brick wall of your experience base.... and since you live somewhere with no wolves it explains why you've went there.... Zero. Real. Experience.
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highvelocityplaya
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- By the 49th
Maybe the Liberal Idiots living a fairy tale should draft a bill for those bad wolves...
Big Bad are you talking about the wolf problem in Prince Rupert BC ?
Prince Rupert has a deer Problem that is creating a wolf problems in town
With no hunting on the Island deer population has exploded and have moved into town and the wolfs have com to town with the deer
The only way to manage wolfs in Prince Rupert is to thin out the deer population in town
Prince Rupert has a deer Problem that is creating a wolf problems in town
With no hunting on the Island deer population has exploded and have moved into town and the wolfs have com to town with the deer
The only way to manage wolfs in Prince Rupert is to thin out the deer population in town
Let me break it down for you ... again. (I seem to be doing this a lot lately).
It is silly to ascribe human attributes - such as killing out of fun, cruelty, or revenge - to wolves. Just foolish. Science explains it, not your nonsensical notion that wolves might be evil servants of some nefarious entity. This doesn't mean, however, that wolves do not need to be controlled. Hunted, trapped, even culled where necessary. Predator management is just as important as ungulate management.
We should never do it because we think wolves are out to make out lives miserable. We do it because that's what good game management and conservation principles require. Science, not emotion or fairy tales (a la Red Riding Hood). Clear now?
CreamySmooth
CGN frequent flyer
Let me break it down for you ... again. (I seem to be doing this a lot lately).
It is silly to ascribe human attributes - such as killing out of fun, cruelty, or revenge - to wolves. Just foolish. Science explains it, not your nonsensical notion that wolves might be evil servants of some nefarious entity. This doesn't mean, however, that wolves do not need to be controlled. Hunted, trapped, even culled where necessary. Predator management is just as important as ungulate management.
We should never do it because we think wolves are out to make out lives miserable. We do it because that's what good game management and conservation principles require. Science, not emotion or fairy tales (a la Red Riding Hood). Clear now?
I never said any of that (second paragraph) I said they have fun... Whatever scientific name you wanna call it. They do. They literally wag their tails, and play, like any canine, with a toy. Again... Zero. Real. Experience.
I was talking about game management. Your problem was that you weren't. And you assumed I was some kind of anti hunter and didn't know what I was talking about. Another mistake.
I've met and dealt with plenty of folks who think their "experience" (which might be zero, for all I know here on the Interwebz) counts for everything. You might have 40 years' driving experience, for example, but it doesn't mean you are a good driver or that you are ready for NASCAR or Formula One. Maybe you just have 40 years of being a bad driver.
I have no clue what "experience" you have (nor am I terribly interested). But what you're saying tells me all I need to know. Tail wagging among wolves, for example. It doesn't mean what you think it does.
