Working Gun for the North

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Here is my new toy. It is a Montana Rifleman 1999 barreled action in 6.5 Swedish, with a McMillan stock. The rifle is blued steel finished in Guncoat. On top is a set of quick detachable Leopold mounts, a VXIII 2-8 power, backed up by a William’s rear site and a fiber optics front post. The gun was built by Bits of Pieces in BC.

My goal was to have a working gun for life in Canada’s north. The 6.5 Swedish is very popular in the eastern Arctic. It is used on everything from caribou to seal. With FMJ bullets it is respected for its excellent penetration on whales. I selected the scope for caribou hunting, and possibly musk ox. The quick detachable mounts are suppose to hold zero when the scope is removed, allowing me to switch to iron sites easily. With iron sites, I can take the rifle with me hiking on the tundra, for use as a bear and wolf defensive weapon.

I know that many people prefer a ghost ring and post combination for a scout-type rifle. But I have tried pep sites before on the tundra and the glare from snow makes it very difficult to focus. My bubby noted the same thing. Your eyes water from the glare and soon you cannot see clearly enough to shoot.

I did not select stainless steel for two reasons. Barry from Bits and Pieces told me that it is better to have blue steel in extreme cold. Also, a very experienced Inuit hunter told me that stainless barrels give erratic performance in temperature below-30 Celsius. After a few rounds are fired, shots begin to spread out markedly as the barrel heats. While stainless is ok for one or two shots, the groups will allegedly open up to an unacceptable level with repeated fire. If you are hunting a number of caribou, you may only be able to dispatch one or two before your rifle loses its accuracy. I have never tested this theory, but I trusted the judgment of the man who recommended against stainless.

I must say that Bits of Pieces put it together very well. The action is extremely smooth, and the rifle shoulders beautifully. With either iron or optical sites, it points perfectly leading to instant target acquisition. I expect the 140 grain round, even at modest velocity, will be sufficient to dispatch both polar bears and wolves at close range.

When I first saw it, I felt it was lacking in finesse. I have another Bits of Pieces rifle that is far more pleasing to the eye. But the utilitarian design has grown on me and it is now quite appealing. It is utterly functional and the Guncoat finish and fiberglass stock gives it a military bearing, much like the original AR180 had. It is simple, even crude, but entirely effective.

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That is the best most practical rifle i have seen posted on here yet. it is purpose designed with functionality, durability, and reliability in mind. I have had my eye on those montana rifles a while cuz it's like my m70 only better.
That is a fine rifle
 
A very fine rifle. That's the second custom in Iqaluit of which I am aware based on a Montana. The other was a .257 AI, unless I am mistaken. 6.5x55 cartridge is superb and very versatile. There were hundreds of Swedish Mausers sold in the day. The military ammuntion was used extensively. I suspect that the vast majority of these rifles have been destroyed by rust and neglect by now.
There are some interesting thoughts about use of barrel grade stainless in extreme cold, having to do with increased brittleness. There are suggestions that some stainless is inappropriate for this use. I have never seen a barrel damaged where cold would have been the only factor, though. Parker Hale barrels fired with an obstruction in extreme cold do stand out. As far as groups opening up as the barrel heats up, that is dependent on the individual barrel, not on whether the barrel is blue or CM.
As far as extreme cold and shooting are concerned, there are concerns about double based gunpowders.
 
Your point concerning the choice of chrome-moly for the barrel material over stainless is well taken. I only recently discovered that John Kreiger of Kreiger Barrels recommends chrome-moly for all hunting rifles to be used in the cold.

The choice of sights are of course a personal matter, but in the glare of the sea ice, I think it is more difficult to line up a front and rear sight with the target rather than just putting a post on the target and firing, as is the case with a ghost ring. This is not meant as a criticism, rather a personal observation. You at least considered the options and made your choice accordingly without jumping on anyone's band wagon.

Congratulations on a nicely thought out and brilliantly executed rifle!
 
Good looking rifle, should suit your needs perfectly!

Over the years,I've heard from several sources about stainless not being as good in cold weather. Including barrels that split, IIRC. It would be interesting to see a study regarding that- True? Or long standing myth?
 
Very nice! I have been drooling at some of barry's custom work with the montana action for a while.

How long did it take from the time you commisioned the work until it was in your hands?
 
Time

wetcoaster said:
Very nice! I have been drooling at some of barry's custom work with the montana action for a while.

How long did it take from the time you commisioned the work until it was in your hands?


If I recall correctly, I ordered it in November 2006. I told Barry there was no hurry, so he likely placed it on the back burner. I have another Montana Rifleman he built for me that he pulled in off in just a few months, because I told him I was in a hurry. I think that rifle took three months from order to delivery. I will post pictures of it when I have time.


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Gatehouse said:
Over the years,I've heard from several sources about stainless not being as good in cold weather. Including barrels that split, IIRC. It would be interesting to see a study regarding that- True? Or long standing myth?

I never gave it much thought until I read the Kreiger article in this month's Precision Shooting Magazine, or I guess I wouldn't have two stainless hunting rifle barrels. When I get home I"ll post the quote right from the magazine so I get it right.

In published interviews, Kreiger consistently gives better answers to the questions posed compared to the other barrel makers. Lilja gives the worst, never the less I have rifles with barrels made by both of them.

There are those who do not agree with him - such as his ideas about barrel break-in, but when Kreiger expresses an opinion concerning rifle barrels you know that opinion has been carefully thought out.
 
Beautiful rifle, how do you like the detachable scope arrangement?

Nice to know that those who rely on a rifle choose the 6.5x55 cartridge.
 
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david doyle said:
Beautiful rifle, how do you like the detachable scope arrangement?

Nice to know that those who rely on a rifle choose the 6.5x55 cartridge.


The QD scope mount seemed like a good idea. But when I throw the lever to lock it down, it is difficult to tell that it is actually locked. I thought from looking at the pictures that it would give a very positive feeling when locked, like the folding stock on the FN FAL. But it does not give a satisfying “klunk” indicating it is positively locked. Rather, the friction on the levers simply increases until you cannot move it forward anymore.

Maybe it will prove to be effective. But my feeling is that it will likely become lose in the future, and fail to give a secure fit. I will just have to wait and see.

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That rifle is an excellent example of the mythical " all-around" rifle.What was the cost because a rifle like that is all most hunters will ever need.I am looking in to the factory equivalent of that rifle but haven't found it yet.
 
Cost

Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
That rifle is an excellent example of the mythical " all-around" rifle.What was the cost because a rifle like that is all most hunters will ever need.I am looking in to the factory equivalent of that rifle but haven't found it yet.


The cost was too much.

If I were smart, I would buy a Lee Enfield No5, for bears and wolves. Then I would buy a Ruger M77Mk2, stainless steel with a synthetic stock, in 270 Winchester. I could hunt with the latter and slay bears and wolves with the former. These two rifles would cost me around about a thousand bucks, plus six hundred for a Leopold scope. If I purchases the Ruger used, it would be significantly less, and I would get 100% of my purchase price back on resale of both rifles.

My solution costs roughly three times the amount identified in the above. But I knew that going in.

And I already have a Lee Enfield No 5, and the said Ruger. Therefore, there is no excuse for buying this rifle other than playing the game, searching for the perfect rifle: the Holy Grail that perpetually alludes.

Isn’t this sport all about fun and games anyways? I can’t take it too seriously or worry too much about economy. Buy meat from the store and don’t walk the tundra. That makes sense, but is no fun at all.

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great rifle

Great rifle.

I'm in Labrador and had almost the identical rifle built by Corlanes. I used an FN '98 action, Gentry safety, and Montana #2 stainless barrel with a McMillan hunter's edge stock. My rifle is also a Swede! I had all metal powder coated similar to yours. I went with Talley light weight rings/mounts, no open sights and mounted a Leopold 2.5-8X. Great minds must think a like!

I have been very happy with mine and love the 6.5X55 round. I have tried several bullets but love both the 125 & 140 grain Nosler partitions.

Regards,

Outdoors
 
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