Working mans double

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I love the 450/400 3" nitro and have plans to buy a double so chambered once my house is paid off. Ive been watching the v.c. and chapius rifles but was wondering about other makers
Itll be used for hunting. Regulation Good express sights and strong decently figured wood are my main concerns. Casecolor hardened action would be a plus.

So who makes the best working mans double in 450/400 3"?
 
He likes it. Took it to Zimbabwe last summer with a 375 bolt gun. I can’t remember all the details but a stinky giraffe bull died at the hands of his 450/400. IIRC he was shooting Hornady factory ammo.
 
Yes they are! They have trouble washing their back and underside...
So with time they become stinky !

Ok out of here!
 
I have a Merkel 140AE .450-400 3" NE. It is accurate and reliable. Used it so far to hunt one elk and one cape buffalo. I like it. Mine is regulated for use with a scope. I have a Leupold VXR 1-4x in Recknagel QD mounts, and it shoots 2" or so composite 4 shot groups at 75 yd. from a standing rest. For close work, I replaced the small front sight bead with a patridge style brass face blade, just my personal preference. I can mount a Burris Fastfire red dot reflex sight with a MAK QD mount too. It regulates OK with no scope, but groups do diverge a little as expected. it is well balanced and fits me perfectly, i'm 6' tall and medium build. I did carry mine for giraffe, but couldn't get closer than 150 M which was just a little farther than I'd ever practised with this rifle, so i used my 9.3 for that purpose. I could have used the double, it was just a matter of comfort and practise. This elk was taken at about 130 m.
 

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All of the mfgrs build a good base gun, just a matter of what features turn your crank and how much you want to spend on them. Buying a used one may entail a stock mod to suit you for LOP. There is Sabatti and FAIR on the low end, FAIR have some combo sets available and interchangeable barrel sets that do not require sending it back to them for a refit, not sure if they offer 450-400 though, they didn't, they may now. New Sabattis are apparently regulated properly now. Chapuis and VC and Merkel and Krieghoff offer a solid gun with some nice aesthetic touches, and their base guns are pretty much simply that. Krieghoff has their decocking system, hot on closing, safety decocks the gun, Blaser is decocked on closing, has to be cocked to fire. Next step up is into adding things like ejectors and intercepting sears and sideplates and engraving and wood upgrades. And then things like scope or reflex mounts, sight styles such as 3 leafs, flip up ghosts and front beads and whatever else you might like on there. They are all custom builders, so, if you don't see it offered, ask, they will likely give you a price.
 
Flip up ivory night bead over german silver front and rear express sights are good enough for me. I can live with a boxlock. Itll be used for moose and bear and may go to africa but i was planning on using my 458wm for buffalo when i get there.
I have a few years yet before i place an order but id rather be prepared incase a deal does pop up i just cant turn down
 
Here is one that fits the bill .450 #2 nitro 11 lbs, rebounding hammers .
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If you haven't already done so, check into the Accurate Reloading forum. They have a sub-forum devoted specifically to double rifles which is a goldmine of information.

There was a long-running discussion on there regarding the Sabatti doubles, which apparently were regulated by the simple expedient of grinding on one side or the other of the muzzle to alter the regulation. Very interesting stuff. I finally got a chance to handle a Sabatti double in .45-70 (at Winnipeg Cabela's, of all places...) and sure enough, the oval-shaped muzzle openings were readily apparent. Too bad; otherwise, it was a very nice gun for the money.
 
I love the 450/400 3" nitro and have plans to buy a double so chambered once my house is paid off. Ive been watching the v.c. and chapius rifles but was wondering about other makers
Itll be used for hunting. Regulation Good express sights and strong decently figured wood are my main concerns. Casecolor hardened action would be a plus.

So who makes the best working mans double in 450/400 3"?

Had a VC in 450/400 3” NE, can’t say that I cared for it. It failed literally at the end of our sight-in session minutes before heading out for a Cape buffalo hunt.

I would go with a Heym or Merkel next time.
 
Had a VC in 450/400 3” NE, can’t say that I cared for it. It failed literally at the end of our sight-in session minutes before heading out for a Cape buffalo hunt.

I would go with a Heym or Merkel next time.

i will go with an heym as well. the newer version 89b seems very attractive.
 
I have a small-frame Merkel double in .30-06; the only thing I don't love about it is the cartridge, really wish it were a 9.3x74R but I got a great deal on it many years ago and couldn't turn it down. If I were about to buy a medium- or big-bore double (I'm not...) I would go with another Merkel in a heartbeat. I especially love the barrel regulation feature that lets you adjust the gun to your desired load, rather than vice versa. I've had several Baikals in both .45-70 and .30-06; terrific value for the money, but pretty crude. And once upon a time I owned a Pedersoli .45-70 Kodiak external-hammer double which was really nice, but also really heavy and poorly balanced.

I keep hoping an EE ad will come up offering to trade a 9.3mm for a .30cal...one of these days...:)
 
I have a baikal in 4570. Almost bought several in 3006 but it just seems wrong having a double without a rimmed cartridge. Plus doubles are for close range shooting whereas the 3006 has got some legs. I likely wouldnt pass up a great deal on a better built double as ive never really heard much against rimmless cases and extraction
 
Speaking as an owner of a double chambered in a rimless cartridge...you're completely correct: it doesn't seem right! :) Nevertheless, it's functioned perfectly for the roughly 750 rounds I have through it. Nobody ever seems to express disapproval of Ruger chambering rimless cartridges in the #1 single shot, and I never hear of a failure caused by this. Dyed-in-the-wool traditionalists always claim that eventually the rimless round will inevitably slip behind the extractor and cause you grief. I've never seen it happen, either with the hundreds I have fired in the Merkel or the several thousand rimless rounds through a bunch of #1 rifles over the years.

The Baikal allows adjustment of horizontal dispersal only. You can adjust the vertical to an extent but you will be messing around with feeler gauges and shims, and it isn't a quick or simple process. Once you get it the way you want it, you will not want to change it. I found that the easiest way to get the Baikal to shoot both barrels to a single POA was to just sell it and buy another one! I had a couple before I got one that was coincidentally shooting together on one horizontal plane; after that the built-in adjustable system made it easy to bring the two barrels together. I actually flowed some solder into the barrel yoke at that point to keep things solid.

The Merkel has a very cool system that allows adjustment in both horizontal and vertical planes. It's not quite as simple as adjusting a scope, but generally speaking you can get very workable results with only a box or two of ammo expended in the testing. Each barrel by itself is an easy MOA shooter; once you refine the adjustment and get it perfect, you can expect composite L/R groups of 2 or 2.5 inches at 200 yards. I have mine set up with a 180gr bullet load that will print a 4-shot group, L/R/L/R, of 4 inches at 300 yards. If you wanted to, I would wager that you could adjust it so that the two barrels were sighted dead-on at two different ranges; I'm not really interested in that type of set-up but I can see where it might be useful. It's a bit of a shame that this DIY regulating system is only available on the small-frame Merkels, but I suppose that there isn't a real need for it in a true big-bore with limited range.

Once you add in the Merkel's excellent triggers...the front (first) trigger is also a set trigger for extreme precision, if desired...the small-bore double is about as versatile as most bolt guns for typical hunting distances, say up to 300 or a bit beyond. Not what you typically expect from a double rifle. :)
 
Heym, look what most of the working men are using in Africa. Of course there are merkels and others but heym is the most common (maybe they donate them or sell cheaper to ph's). Most people can afford a good double, they just prefer to buy other things and have difficulty justifying saving the money for something so specific in use.
 
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