World's First Titanium AR .308 Rifle by NEMO Arms - $100,000

Boomer74 said:
Atleast that gun wouldn't need any of the coatings that aluminum needs, and looks uber-###y...

And the whole point of the Ti ONE was to draw attention, not mass-produce. Who else has an "all Titanium" AR ?

NEMO is only a 4 hr drive from me too. Hmmm... A new Nissan GT-R, or a titanium AR-10 ?

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Well when sparks start flying off the gun in sandy environments you will definately be drawing attention lol.

I have used Ti parts before and the practical uses in firearms is very little considering the cost benefit.
 
Put it this way:

If you won this as a prize would any of you keep it or sell the damned thing? Would you insure it? Would you buy a better safe? Would it be a safe queen?
 
Hokus Grey said:
With titanium, shouldn't they be able to manufacture it to rediculous tolerances, with very thin walls (Less material)?

I understand that this was a publicity thing, they weren't trying to reinvent the wheel, but I'm curious.
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Being Ti doesn't really change how the tolerances are applied.
I do agree, though. That they should have been able to thin walls, such as around the mag well, FCG pocket, etc. I'm assuming they just took their aluminum model and changes the tool cut parameters and ran it. Ti is strong, but it's brittle. There really is no benefit to it's use in firearms, or many other markets, other than the illusion of high quality that the name Titanium gives. People are simple and like shiny things, that's about it.
 
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Armedsask said:
Being Ti doesn't really change how the tolerances are applied.
I do agree, though. That they should have been able to thin walls, such as around the mag well, FCG pocket, etc. I'm assuming they just took their aluminum model and changes the tool cut parameters and ran it. Ti is strong, but it's brittle. There really is no benefit to it's use in firearms, or many other markets, other than the illusion quality that the name Titanium gives. People are simple and like shiny things, that's about it.
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very good points.
 
Armedsask said:
Being Ti doesn't really change how the tolerances are applied.
I do agree, though. That they should have been able to thin walls, such as around the mag well, FCG pocket, etc. I'm assuming they just took their aluminum model and changes the tool cut parameters and ran it. Ti is strong, but it's brittle. There really is no benefit to it's use in firearms, or many other markets, other than the illusion of high quality that the name Titanium gives. People are simple and like shiny things, that's about it.
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Wrong on many levels unfortunately, titanium like most metals has too many alloys and forms to describe it with sweeping statements like "it's brittle", when you read a post like the above all it tells you is the author is unfamiliar with the subject.

Brittle alloys are not used in racing engine connecting rods doing 14,000rpm, valves of the same, turbine engine blades spinning at 60,000rpm, golf club heads, airframe structural components that experience multiple severe load cycles, etc etc etc. Titanium makes extreme sense if used in firearms, but like any material it has to be used right. Replacing aluminum parts of the same dimension is not where it's going to shine.

Replace steel, and the difference is monumental, my titanium Mauser is 45% lighter than a steel action of the same dimension- and just as strong. That's incredible, and it's also entirely impervious to corrosion. In firearms, there are a million places where titanium replacing steel would be extremely advantageous, but the customer's pockets just aren't deep enough to justify it. Saying it's not suited to firearms and is just for people that like shiny things is amusing, truth is it's great for guns but not suited to buyers.
 
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Ardent said:
Wrong on many levels unfortunately, titanium like most metals has too many alloys and forms to describe it with sweeping statements like "it's brittle", when you read a post like the above all it tells you is the author is unfamiliar with the subject.

Brittle alloys are not used in racing engine connecting rods doing 14,000rpm, valves of the same, turbine engine blades spinning at 60,000rpm, golf club heads, airframe structural components that experience multiple severe load cycles, etc etc etc. Titanium makes extreme sense if used in firearms, but like any material it has to be used right. Replacing aluminum parts of the same dimension is not where it's going to shine.

Replace steel, and the difference is monumental, my titanium Mauser is 45% lighter than a steel action of the same dimension- and just as strong. That's incredible, and it's also entirely impervious to corrosion. In firearms, there are a million places where titanium replacing steel would be extremely advantageous, but the customer's pockets just aren't deep enough to justify it. Saying it's not suited to firearms and is just for people that like shiny things is amusing, truth is it's great for guns but not suited to buyers.
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Don't forget Turbochargers. Billet Ti wheels have allowed rotational speeds of over 180,000 RPMS where previous designs failed at 140-160,000 rpms
And be more responsive, at all rpms, and less prone to compressor stall
 
Armedsask said:
Being Ti doesn't really change how the tolerances are applied.
I do agree, though. That they should have been able to thin walls, such as around the mag well, FCG pocket, etc. I'm assuming they just took their aluminum model and changes the tool cut parameters and ran it. Ti is strong, but it's brittle. There really is no benefit to it's use in firearms, or many other markets, other than the illusion of high quality that the name Titanium gives. People are simple and like shiny things, that's about it.
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I think that this crosses the line into industrial art. It is no longer the AR-15 that it represents but rather something that is really never intended to be used, like a toilet made out of jello.

A cool design project to be sure. If they made a functioning ACOG out of titanium; that's what I would love to see!!!!
 
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