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mysticplayer said:
That lion had no where to go. Bad first shot. Lots of follow ups with shooting within the group (more afraid of being shot at that point). Would seem that the guides didn't 'stop' that charging lion. Considering that many misses were no where near the lion, wonder what the shooters were trying to stop.

Personally, I was routing for the Lion. A truly beautiful animal. Too bad the hunt wasn't fair chase. Lucky no one got mauled or shot.

This is the sort of video that the anti's would love to promote. I certainly wouldn't use it as a marketing vid.

Come out with us for super big dollars. We will run an animal into a corner where you, me and a bunch of people can take pot shots at it and each other, try not to get mauled, and slap each other on the back when it is well and truly swiss cheesed.

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I totally agree with your post except for one quote. Lucky wasnt what i was hoping for for when the slaughterd lion charged the little dicked office pay as you go cagged PEOPLE. I was hoping he would be able to take at least one of them out. Too bad. This vidio only shows the shallowness of the human race in the need to compensate to make them feel stronger. I DO NOT agee with the notion of killing for just "the sport of it". If you will eat it, great. If the animal needs to be irradicated for the purpose of control... so be it. But a cagged slaughter for visual and emotional support... shallow. Real f**ken shallow. Im embarrased to say these "sportsmen" are in the same sport i do. Except i will not shoot an animal just to put its head in my den.
 
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Boomer said:
I think that speaks volumes for the type of people they are.
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Yup. Shameless rich PEOPLE who feel the need to be powerfull. If not in the office.. then shell out big bucks to kill (not hunt) a helpless animal who had nowhere to run. Shallow.... real shallow.
 
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72mustang said:
Yup. Shameless rich white boy's who feel the need to be powerfull. If not in the office.. then shell out big bucks to kill (not hunt) a helpless animal who had nowhere to run. Shallow.... real shallow.
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So why is it that you participate on a hunting forum?
 
is illegal in SK does not mean it's like that everywhere
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Canned hunts is illegal in South Africa
dont hang animal heads on my den wall
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Yes I do but not to bragg about how big a buck I shot like so many folks honestly i don't care for size of horns or antlers, but whenever I look at that little 3x4 on my wall it brings back alot of memories.
I eat the meat i shoot
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Most of the stuff I shoot I eat too but can you honestly tell me that you chow on the Ghopers/cayotes you shot?
Well I sure as hell ain't eating a cat
 
I don't hunt for meat, I don't hunt for trophies - I hunt because I like to hunt. I'll tell you right now - you haven't lived until you've hunted something that hunts back.

Obviously if you hunt deer, you don't look at a deer as if it's Bambi - then why do you look at a lion as if it it's the Lion King? Regardless of the game, realistic management practices must be followed if game going to survive. As long as the lion is worth money paid by hunters - paid to African governments - the lion has a future. If local people had their way he would of been extinct for generations. The same can be said for all the great cats, elephant, rhino, buffalo and hippo. These things pose a daily threat to people who live in those countries, and the only thing that keeps those animals around is money - mostly from guys like me who are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to hunt them.
 
I have no problem huntig lions, and I'd do so if I had the cash.

But I wouldn't want to do it the way it is portrayed in the movie clip...That lion seems a little too tame until they wound it and really start to screw around wiht it.:rolleyes:
 
Boomer said:
I don't hunt for meat, I don't hunt for trophies - I hunt because I like to hunt. I'll tell you right now - you haven't lived until you've hunted something that hunts back.

Obviously if you hunt deer, you don't look at a deer as if it's Bambi - then why do you look at a lion as if it it's the Lion King? Regardless of the game, realistic management practices must be followed if game going to survive. As long as the lion is worth money paid by hunters - paid to African governments - the lion has a future. If local people had their way he would of been extinct for generations. The same can be said for all the great cats, elephant, rhino, buffalo and hippo. These things pose a daily threat to people who live in those countries, and the only thing that keeps those animals around is money - mostly from guys like me who are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to hunt them.
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I didnt look at that lion like it was Simba... i looked at him like a stalker who corners a woman with intentions of killing her. Killing in a caged invirnment (sp?) in NOT hunting to me. Kind of reminds me like fishing in a kids wadeing pool. You gave a explaination that is correct. IF... and i repeat.. IF the wildlife in question is sustainable for a limited licenced hunt... then so be it if can and will sustain itself for future generations. Money goes to govt for conservation and money goes to guides who make a living on this. Great... i dont have problem with this. Just like i dont have a problem with seal hunts either. I DO have a problem with the way this hunt took place. Cornering an animal in a caged invironment is NOT hunting. In relation to this vidio... i also dont do or get involved with "flush" hunting for deer. I dont agree with using dogs or atv's to run animals down till they cant stand alone. I didnt agree with fox hunting in Britian and am gladed they banned... just like i dont agree with hunters (are they really hunters???) who use dogs to chase down cougars in western states/provinces. To me... a HUNT is tracking down and coming upon your prey in its natural inviroenment in a civilized manner. No dogs, no atv's, no fences, no parks. Maybe in the olden days when grocery stores werent around you need a pack of men and horses to obtain your buffalo meat for winter survival.... but not today. You said yourself.. you enjoy a hunt. So do i. But not in this type of mannerism. Do you or dont you agree?
 
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I don't hunt for meat, I don't hunt for trophies - I hunt because I like to hunt. I'll tell you right now - you haven't lived until you've hunted something that hunts back.


On a side note... i was hunting partridge on warm fall day and decided to take a nap on top of moss covered rocks in the open. When i awoke i was being stared down by a massive bull moose about 30 feet away. Had his head down, ears back and eyes popping out scrapping his front hoofs. I slowly got up and walked backwards to the nearest tree (about 10 feet away). He charged just as i got behind tree. He banged against the tree for about 3 seconds before i popped off a shot in the air. This seemed to awaken him and he backed off. I high tailed it out of there like a fat woman getting in line at a KFC takeout. So to answer your question... Yes. Yes i did stare down danger in the eye and am even more thrilled about both of us walking away alive. Why didnt i shoot it you may ask? A single shot .20 guage cooey is all i had with #8shot if i remember correctly. I much prefer is this way than having to destroy an animal when it was me who was in HIS backyard.
 
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You gave a explaination that is correct. IF... and i repeat.. IF the wildlife in question is sustainable for a limited licenced hunt... then so be it if can and will sustain itself for future generations. Money goes to govt for conservation and money goes to guides who make a living on this. Great... i dont have problem with this. Just like i dont have a problem with seal hunts either. I DO have a problem with the way this hunt took place. Cornering an animal in a caged invironment is NOT hunting. In relation to this vidio... i also dont do or get involved with "flush" hunting for deer. I dont agree with using dogs or atv's to run animals down till they cant stand alone. I didnt agree with fox hunting in Britian and am gladed they banned... just like i dont agree with hunters (are they really hunters???) who use dogs to chase down cougars in western states/provinces. To me... a HUNT is tracking down and coming upon your prey in its natural inviroenment in a civilized manner. No dogs, no atv's, no fences, no parks. Maybe in the olden days when grocery stores werent around you need a pack of men and horses to obtain your buffalo meat for winter survival.... but not today.

You said yourself.. you enjoy a hunt. So do i. But not in this type of mannerism. Do you or dont you agree?
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You have assumed again, that the video of the lion hunt is a video of a canned or caged hunt. The fact that it took place along a fence line is no more indicative of a caged hunt than if it had been a deer or an antelope along a farmers field in rural North America. From that short video we have no way of knowing how that lion came to be along that fence line.

With respect to the seal hunt I frankly do not believe you. Based on what you have already stated, the only way you could support the seal hunt is in some sort of abstract way, because quite frankly it is far more upsetting to watch the commercial seal hunt than it is the lion hunt. Perhaps because you live in the Maritimes you believe that it is your social duty to support the seal hunt. I do support the seal hunt as I do trapping, and I hunt seals myself. I do however note that there is a line between commercial and sport hunting.

Your comment about people not having to hunt anymore because the grocery store is on the corner makes me smile. You should hang out in my neighbourhood for a while. Up here hunting is shopping.

You asked me if I agreed with you, and the answer is that I do not. I do not agree with you because the only hunting you support is that which fits into your narrow definition of acceptability. Hunting with dogs has long been accepted in the regions that it is now practiced. Hunting cougars would be very difficult without the use of dogs. You did not state an objection to the use of lures or baits, but I expect the only style of hunting you support is still hunting. That is in fact the method I prefer, however I will not object to how others hunt, provided it stays within the accepted practices of fair chase. Pushing bush, the use of dogs where legal, and the use of bait all fall into legal and acceptable methods of hunting where they are practiced. Because I want to see hunting perpetuated, because I want to see wildlife perpetuated, because I want to see wild land perpetuated, I will continue to support all forms of legal ethical hunting, and strongly oppose any limitations to hunting based on solely emotional arguments.
 
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72mustang said:
Originally Posted by Boomer
I don't hunt for meat, I don't hunt for trophies - I hunt because I like to hunt. I'll tell you right now - you haven't lived until you've hunted something that hunts back.


On a side note... i was hunting partridge on warm fall day and decided to take a nap on top of moss covered rocks in the open. When i awoke i was being stared down by a massive bull moose about 30 feet away. Had his head down, ears back and eyes popping out scrapping his front hoofs. I slowly got up and walked backwards to the nearest tree (about 10 feet away). He charged just as i got behind tree. He banged against the tree for about 3 seconds before i popped off a shot in the air. This seemed to awaken him and he backed off. I high tailed it out of there like a fat woman getting in line at a KFC takeout. So to answer your question... Yes. Yes i did stare down danger in the eye and am even more thrilled about both of us walking away alive. Why didnt i shoot it you may ask? A single shot .20 guage cooey is all i had with #8shot if i remember correctly. I much prefer is this way than having to destroy an animal when it was me who was in HIS backyard.
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You would of been better off not posting this....it's fiction.
 
you guys are not from africa..... i am.... all hunting the has to be on someones land which means it is in a property but is thousands of acres big!!!! just luck it was by the fence...... people i know have eaten lion, i havent but some of my uncles have!(cannot comment about the shots..lol)
dont be to quick to judge a place or the people!
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klopp_daddy said:
you guys are not from africa..... i am.... all hunting the has to be on someones land which means it is in a property but is thousands of acres big!!!! just luck it was by the fence...... people i know have eaten lion, i havent but some of my uncles have!(cannot comment about the shots..lol)
dont be to quick to judge a place or the people!
regards
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Some of us are trying to get that across, but it seems to be a struggle.;)
 
72mustang said:
thats why i was hoping he would have been able to get at least one of them. One less cagged animal hunter pretator.. the better. ;)
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+2 (me and kitty ;) )
 
Boomer.............judging from his story of the bull moose, which comes across as pure fabrication.................and the previous comments which were all pompous and self-righteous, you are wasting your time with that guy.

I watched the video and was unable to really determine anything clearly with regards to the structure of the fence. But, having hunted in RSA and Namibia I know, as several of you have mentioned, that fences are the norm ....as they are on any cattle ranch or farm in Canada and the US. However, cattle fences do not inhibit the movement of game and a big male lion can easily kill a cow and jump a fence with the cow anyways. There are documented cases of a lion jumping into a kraal made of thorn bush, killing a steer and then jumping back out with the beast.

As to the misses.............ah it is great to see people that have never been charged by anything bigger than a chipmunk pass judgement so quickly. Because of the speed that a cat comes in at, it is very common for hunters to shoot high in a charge situation..................and that information comes from numerous PH's that have been in the situation more than once. The mane on lions also tends to cause hunters to misjudge as well.

Even if it was a canned hunt boys................I've seen lots of hunters that would have filled their drawers in that situation. At least that guy had the balls to stand his ground and shoot!
 
Gatehouse said:
I have no problem huntig lions, and I'd do so if I had the cash.

But I wouldn't want to do it the way it is portrayed in the movie clip...That lion seems a little too tame until they wound it and really start to screw around wiht it.:rolleyes:
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There is more wild bush in North Americs (USA & Canada) then there is in the whole of Africa!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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