wow 200 for a bull tag plus entry fees ontario

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so just got the email from ministry on natural resources ,no more auti calf 15 bucks entry fee for first go around plus tag buy of 200 plus tax if you get drawn and your points go to zero ,second draw another 15 bucks for three choices if on first choice tags go to zero and of course the fees for ### tag ,looks like maybe every ten -15 years you get a tag,,no more group alocations everyone on there own but can party hunt.will see how this works out after first draw...looks like ill consentrate more on deer and birds ..
 
It's been 11 years now since my last bull tag, and 19 years prior to that. That's $660 roughly for sfa, except a remote chance at a calf. and maybe $1000 invested in the first two decades. I have no problem spending $200 if I know I have a tag waiting for me. If you party hunt, the rest of the group can chip in and defray the costs if it bothers you that much.


What is changing?
Moose tags will be distributed to Ontario residents using a points-based process. A moose licence will no longer include a calf tag. Resident hunters will start with one point for each year they applied for the moose draw since the last time they received an adult moose tag. ###

The fees for moose hunting are becoming fairer. Hunters will pay a fee of $15 to apply for a tag instead of being required to buy a moose licence before applying. Hunters who claim a tag will pay more in those years, but will save money in years they apply, but don’t claim a tag. The cost of a moose licence will be reduced from $50 to $35. A licence will be required to claim a tag or to party hunt with a tag holder.

Sign on to your online account at huntandfishontario.com to view your moose draw
history. Your draw history will be used to calculate your point total.#
Don’t have an online account? Sign up today. #
Learn how to view your draw entries, results and history.#
In early 2021 your point total will be available through your online account or by
calling the automated phone line at 1-800-288-1155.
Make sure your Outdoors Card is valid and up to date. ##
Decide what tag types (Wildlife Management Unit (WMU)/moose type/season) you and other members in your hunting party are interested in applying for and whether you are willing to have your points reset to zero if you are awarded and claim that tag type. Learn more below. ##
All hunters will apply as individuals. There will be no group applications and no pooling of points among multiple hunters. Hunting in groups (i.e. party hunting) will still be permitted and the party hunting rules remain unchanged. #
The new tag allocation process will contain a Primary Allocation stage when most high-demand tags are likely to be awarded,and a Second Chance Allocation stage when remaining tags will be awarded.#
Each stage will have a separate application period. You can apply to either or both stages by paying a $15 application fee once.#
If you are awarded a tag, you must claim the tag before the relevant tag claim deadline in order to receive it. To claim a tag, you must purchase a $35 moose licence and pay the tag fee ($30 calf tag, $150 cow/calf tag, $200 bull tag). Learn about the benefits of the licensing and fee changes at Ontario.ca/moosereview.#
If you apply to either or both stages but aren’t awarded a tag or don’t claim a tag awarded to you based on points, you will gain a point to improve your chances in the future.#
Didn’t get a tag or missed the deadlines but still want to hunt? You can party hunt
with another tag holder if you have purchased a moose licence. A reminder that beginning
in 2021 a calf tag will no longer come with the purchase of a moose licence.
You can also consider purchasing a moose hunt from a tourist outfitter.#
Stay safe and have fun! #

#*Dates for the new moose allocation process are currently tentative. Stay up to date on all the latest information by checking Ontario.ca/moose. #

Primary Allocation Stage: #
On April 1st MNRF publishes tag quotas for the Primary Allocation stage: #
Pay $15 application fee and apply for a tag either online at huntandfishontario.com, by phone using the automated phone line#
(1-800-288-1155) or apply in person at a participating ServiceOntario or a licence issuer. #
Complete your application by the April 30th for the Primary Allocation stage.
Make up to 3 choices of tag type (i.e. WMU/moose type/season combination) in the Primary Allocation stage.#
You can apply for a point directly by selecting the non-existent WMU “99Z” as your first choice rather than applying for a tag. #
Each tag type will be allocated to the hunters with the most points that applied for it as their first choice. If tags remain available, the applicants with the most points that selected that tag type as their second choice will be awarded tags.
If tags still remain available, this will be repeated for third choice
applicants.#
A random draw will be used to break ties when there are more applicants with the same point total than the number of tags that remain available.
The points required to be awarded each tag type and whether tags remain available beyond the first choice is not set in advance but is determined solely by how many hunters choose each tag type relative to the quota and their point totals. #
Claim your tag before the deadline on June 7th by buying your moose licence and purchasing your tag.#
Your points will reset to zero when you claim a tag awarded in the Primary Allocation stage.

Second Chance Allocation Stage:
On June 15th MNRF publishes information on the number of tags that remain available for the Second Chance Allocation stage (tags that weren’t applied for or went unclaimed in the Primary Allocation stage):
Hunters can apply to the Second Chance Allocation stage (a $15 application fee is only required if you didn’t apply for to the Primary Allocation stage) unless they already claimed a tag in the Primary Allocation stage.#
Complete your application by July 7th for the Second Chance Allocation stage.
Make up to 3 choices of tag type and WMU.#
You have the option of applying for a point in this stage as well by selecting the non-existent WMU “99Z” (you can only gain one point per year).#
Tags are awarded based on points for first choices and by random draw for second and third choices – this means that hunters with zero or few points still have a chance to be awarded tags that remain available.#
You can choose to claim your tag after August 1st and before the end of the relevant season by buying your moose licence and paying for your tag.#
Your points reset to zero if you claim a tag you were awarded from your first choice in the 2nd Chance Allocation stage. If you choose to claim a tag from your second or third choice you will retain your points and gain a point.#
Any resident hunter can purchase a moose licence for $35 to party hunt with a tag holder. Party hunting rules have not changed.


Beginning in 2022, the MNRF will publish the minimum point total that was awarded each tag type (i.e.WMU/moose type/season combination) in the previous year. This information will help hunters plan how they wish to apply. While the points required for each tag type are not determined in advance of the allocation and are likely to change somewhat from year to year, information on previous years will give hunters a good idea how many points will be required for each tag type/area and allow them to apply strategically. ###

Learn more about the improvements being made to moose management in Ontario in 2020 and 2021 at Ontario.ca/moosereview.
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I agree, do the math and its a much cheaper option than the old way. I like this change a lot. Sure I still may never draw a tag, but I'm only putting in $15 a year to try and if in 20 years I get one, I'd gladly pay my $200 to get the tag.
 
FishHog said:
I agree, do the math and its a much cheaper option than the old way. I like this change a lot. Sure I still may never draw a tag, but I'm only putting in $15 a year to try and if in 20 years I get one, I'd gladly pay my $200 to get the tag.
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I agree. this new system seems better.
 
I am curious to see long term what the point-creep is like in decent areas with better access + moose numbers. Effects probably won't be noticeable for the first X number of years (to be determined), but as groups strategically don't claim tags after the primary allocation to limit the # of tags per year they get/etc this will eventually result in significantly reduced hunting opportunity for everyone.

It'll be interesting to see how many tags are taken out of circulation on the 1st choice of the 2nd allocation before it gets to the random draws. I hope they provide data for the number of tags per unit that get drawn vs claimed in first/second allocations for 1st/2nd/3rd choice in each as it'll probably be interesting to trend over time.

Now that the Northern residents draw is a thing of the past (minus the 1 extra point, which in the long run is negligible) I think just due to the larger absolute number of hunters from down South, this will result in a lot of Northern groups having closer to a once-in-a-lifetime tag per group member after everyone in the group cycles through claiming a tag. I know there are lots of strong opinions either way on the Northern residents draw, but I feel like it should remain that perhaps 5% of tags in a given WMU are set aside for people living within a 2-WMU radius by postal code or something (or a percentage of people living in that radius who applied for the moose draw divided by the total) - if they don't get allocated on the first round, automatically give them out on the 2nd/3rd rounds so there is no such thing as a surplus tag.
 
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Alberta went to this system about 20 years ago. After a few years hunters will be able to predict how many points will be required to draw a tag in the WMUs. Groups will be able to more effectively manage their tags and plan their hunts more effectively than they are able to do now.
 
I like the theory of the new system, and I would gladly pay $500 a year for a bull tag, because I like to hunt moose!

The only thing I don't like about this new system, is they are still going to have calf tags.
 
Is this a resident only hunt or are us out of province guys able to collect points too?

I'm assuming you need a hunting licence to get a point?
 
I’ll take the old system back over the new one any day. It’s been a decade since our group last had an adult tag, but at least we had calf tags every year. Now there will be years (maybe lots of them) with no tags at all. That means no hunt. Also means we will lose hunters. If you go several years with no opportunity to hunt why bother with things like camp maintenance, trail clearing etc. This year may well be the last moose hunt for a lot of people in Ontario. It’s tough to look back at the legacy of camps that span generations of family and friends that will cease to exist.
 
It's a complex system, and I'm sure it will piss off lots of folk.
But it seems to me there is a way to get a calf tag without losing a point.
Put your calf choice down as second choice in part two of the draw.
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Your points reset to zero if you claim a tag you were awarded from your first choice in the [SIZE=+2]2nd Chance Allocation stage[/SIZE]. If you choose to claim a tag from your second or third choice you will retain your points and gain a point.#
Any resident hunter can purchase a moose licence for $35 to party hunt with a tag holder. Party hunting rules have not changed
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This assumes that there are calf tags remaining of course.
 
cannon fodder said:
I’ll take the old system back over the new one any day. It’s been a decade since our group last had an adult tag, but at least we had calf tags every year. Now there will be years (maybe lots of them) with no tags at all. That means no hunt. Also means we will lose hunters. If you go several years with no opportunity to hunt why bother with things like camp maintenance, trail clearing etc. This year may well be the last moose hunt for a lot of people in Ontario. It’s tough to look back at the legacy of camps that span generations of family and friends that will cease to exist.
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I get your perspective, but why should large groups always get the preference. My camp can only handle 5-6 people max. Under the old system I'll never see a tag there, so we never get a chance to hunt moose. Now with this system, my group actually has a chance to draw a tag sometime in the next 20 years before were too old to do it anymore.

Its one of those situations where you can't keep everyone happy, buy the big group guys have had a good long run. Time to change it up to be fair for everyone. No I have the same chance to draw a tag as you do.
 
I really like being able to not take a tag my group hunts 1c and were always putting guys into the area that only exists for you to keep pool one . I think its 99 you apply for for that this way we dont need to worry it's a guarantee that well get tags so this option is nice and I would rather pay more for the bull tag and less for going in draw. I agree there should be no calf tags
 
there was a really good article in ont out doors mag about re inventing g the moose camp. I have for my camp it's now more geared towards bear. everyone gets a tag we set up stands clear trailer etc and actually get more people up to set up the baits and keep them going. I hate to say it but the ontario moose hunting t as we know it is changed for a long time and there should be no reason to give up we just have to adapt. less bears means more moose any ways and the nice things g is everyone has a chance to fill a tag.
 
cannon fodder said:
I’ll take the old system back over the new one any day. It’s been a decade since our group last had an adult tag, but at least we had calf tags every year. Now there will be years (maybe lots of them) with no tags at all. That means no hunt. Also means we will lose hunters. If you go several years with no opportunity to hunt why bother with things like camp maintenance, trail clearing etc. This year may well be the last moose hunt for a lot of people in Ontario. It’s tough to look back at the legacy of camps that span generations of family and friends that will cease to exist.
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Poor moose populations and the new regulations are a result of generations of family and friends shooting calves because they felt entitled to putting meat in the freezer. The hunting of calves should have never been allowed and was only done to keep selfish hunters happy.

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calf hunters reduce the future population.
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Exactly.
 
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