Yes and no. Calfs are the least likely to make it through the winter, so there is a certain amount that can be harvested without any real impact on the population long term. But this has to be done within reason, you can't give everyone a calf tag and assume the population will be fine.
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Yes and no. Calfs are the least likely to make it through the winter, so there is a certain amount that can be harvested without any real impact on the population long term. But this has to be done within reason, you can't give everyone a calf tag and assume the population will be fine.
Yep. Once things settle out and you get a better idea what the Piority points are that you need to hunt a given area, you can start to work the system to greatly increase the odds.
Alberta was only charging two or three bucks per draw that you entered, and allowed you to 999 code the draw, meaning you were only trying to increase your priority.
Did not read through to see if that was adopted in Onterrible, but at $15 a hit, it does add up fast, considering there is no set chance of getting a tag in any particular area yet.
There the least likely to make it so why would you hunt an already vulnerable population? There’s no way to know which will make it and which won’t so in the end not only are they suffering the winter kill but also kills from hunters as well.
If you stop all calf hunting, you may as well stop all cow hunting because they could have a calf and if they go down, the calf is likely to die. At least that’s the logic I was told was behind the policy.
Giving everyone a calf tag by default always seemed odd to me.
Giving everyone a calf tag by default always seemed odd to me.
They also have a hard time getting kids and new hunters interested in the sport because they have to wait so long to get tags starting with ZERO points, while existing hunters who have a jump on the points will be taking tags for many years before the new hunters ever get a chance. Talking to friends in Alberta, they don't like the point system.
I’ve been reviewing the BC regs again because I moved to the island. I’ve decided to hunt the animals with long local-ish open seasons, instead of getting stuck on one species or area. I will use the random draw for moose/elk and travel occasionally when I get lucky. If its about the journey and company the animal shouldn’t matter so much. I throw that in there because I’ve been preached that for years of trying for a gos region 6-7 moose.
This is a great point. I would preferred to have seen 5-10% of the tags be pure random draw so everyone at least had a shot, however unlikely. The guys who have waited the longest still get the large majority of tags.
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$3.86 per draw here and only buy the license if drawn and its not mandatory only if you intend to hunt. If you dont you can apply to keep your pool status to an imaginary designated wmz. Gf and I both drew antlerless mulie this year. Draws were $3.86/ea. Licenses are $22 ea. Ontario gouges!!
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Never met anyone here that complains about it.
Yep.
Anybody can look up what they need in order to get a tag, out in Alberta. If you don't mind traveling, you can 'Almost' get a tag every year.
But at the end of it all, you can save up your priority until you are pretty much a sure thing in the zone you wish to hunt.
I know it seems odd, but the science supports it. There is a surplus in the fall and you can remove part of that surplus without any negative effect on the overall population. You're basically moving them from one source of mortality to another.
We have a moose camp. We always have had enough people in the group to get a guaranteed adult tag. My look on this is that it will not save anyone in my group any money. We will still be paying $50 each to hunt but on top of that we will be paying more to get the adult tag. As a random number, if we had 12 guys in camp we would pay $600 for licenses and get a bull tag as part of that. Now, if any of us even get drawn we will pay $800.
Our camp has leased the same land for hunting for 80+ years now. It was alway nice knowing we could get a tag with the guaranteed group size allocation. It's going to be an expensive year when none of us draw an adult tag for a year.
Our camp has leased the same land for hunting for 80+ years now. It was alway nice knowing we could get a tag with the guaranteed group size allocation. It's going to be an expensive year when none of us draw an adult tag for a year.
Its known as point creep, and it's a serious issue in some states. In a handful of states you need 15+ points to draw in the good units, and there are far more people applying than tags are given out so if you haven't been collecting points for all these years you're basically screwed - you could easily go 30 years without a chance to draw the "good" units in some states if you were to start collecting points now because thousands if not 10s of thousands of people have more points than you, and the points required to draw goes up by one almost every year. Certainly doesn't sound like a good way to get new people involved.
Personally I like a straight lottery draw like BC. Reduce the odds for a few years after someone hits, or even make them ineligible for a few years(you have to wait 7 years to apply for the Montana unlimited sheep hunt if you get a ram for instance). Or a point system which enhances your draw odds but its still a draw - some states make each point be an extra entry into the draw for instance, so people with no points still have a chance, just a really low one if others are applying with a bunch of points.
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Did you miss the part where 1) you don't have to buy a moose license if you don't draw, and 2) the license is only $35 now?
35x12=420, +200=620. If you draw your group pays an extra $20, if you don't draw y'all save hundreds...? ($15 fee x 12 is only $180 spent on the applications)
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Yup, not much of a difference there, but the large group guys like the old system as it favoured them. I'm sure they don't like the change because the new system is fair for everyone, not favouring them. Sucks for them, but they had their run, time for some of us with smaller camps to have a chance.
That's crap really. There are a LOT of opportunities to hunt outside of the Draw system. One year I counted 22 different deer tags alone, that a fella could harvest, between all the local area only ones and the general season tags for both White Tail and Mule deer together.
Anyone that figure the Draws are keeping people from hunting, hasn't been paying attention to the massive number of opportunities that are out there!
When I finally used my accumulated points, I did so, so that I could hunt for moose in my own back yard essentially. Before that, we were either getting drawn on Pri 0 or Pri 1 areas which usually meant a pretty good drive North out into the sticks.
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I stopped moose hunting several years ago for a few reasons, lack of opportunity to actually get an adult tag being number 1.
This system seems better however I still can't get past charging that $15 fee. I know it's just a few dollars but when you look at how other provinces charge as little as $5 I can't help but think it is so typical of this friggin province and their constant fees for every thing. It's a money grab as is usual here.
This system seems better however I still can't get past charging that $15 fee. I know it's just a few dollars but when you look at how other provinces charge as little as $5 I can't help but think it is so typical of this friggin province and their constant fees for every thing. It's a money grab as is usual here.
