WRA .45 Submachine Gun Ammo, .380 DC MK IIZ Value?

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Hi Folks,

I have some WWII era Ammo left to me by my Father. One comes in a box of 42 -cartridges and is labelled S.A. Ball .45" for use in Sub-Machine Guns & made by Winchester Repeating Arms Company & date stamped 5 Feb 1942 Lot 05. The other comes in a boxes(still sealed) of 12 & are Revolver Cartridges .380" DC MK IIZ & date stamped Jul 27 1943. Also stamped on the smaller box are M 1003 A & I.G. Canada. Any links to like items, auction results or personal thoughts/experience on fair market value are appreciated.

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The 380 Mk IIZ will average about 10 to 15 dollars a box...being it is wartime dated it should achieve that value easily.
The 45 ball ammo is unique...I have never sen this type of box configuration...determining if it is actual military issue may be difficult...value should be in the $30 to $50 range.
Nice stuff there!!
Cheers
 
I have a bunch of that 380 ammo myself in 12's as well as a couple of 50 boxes and some 45acp Remington military issue...My son's Great Grandpa was RAF
The .380 was for his S&W service revolver...
 
Alonzo said:
The 45 ball ammo is unique...I have never sen this type of box configuration...determining if it is actual military issue may be difficult...value should be in the $30 to $50 range.
Nice stuff there!!
Cheers
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Interesting - thanks for your input. Quick question ... if they are not military issue then for what other reason(s) would submachine gun cartridges be issued for on 5 Feb 1942? Or are 'military issue' & 'issued for potential military use' all together different animals when discerning between wartime dated ammo?
 
42 rounds is an unusual number for an smg but makes sense for the 1911 (6 mags worth). I'm guessing they decided to use the same size box for economic reasons but mark it accordingly. What puzzles me is exactly what US smg required its own flavour of .45 acp? Do the cartridges shown here have brass or steel cases? I recall reading somewhere in the far past that the steel cases were not agreeable with the 1911.
 
I just bought a WRA box marked in 30.06 like your 45 with the rifle/MG statement 1941. Also called 30 cal. I saw it full for 5 bucks. Perhaps lend lease ammo for Brits? I might shoot it but a collector might say its worth more to them. Opinions above sound good on your ammo collector value.
 
eos said:
42 rounds is an unusual number for an smg but makes sense for the 1911 (6 mags worth). I'm guessing they decided to use the same size box for economic reasons but mark it accordingly. What puzzles me is exactly what US smg required its own flavour of .45 acp? Do the cartridges shown here have brass or steel cases? I recall reading somewhere in the far past that the steel cases were not agreeable with the 1911.
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Yes they are brass.

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The Queens Medalist 86 said:
I just bought a WRA box marked in 30.06 like your 45 with the rifle/MG statement 1941. Also called 30 cal. I saw it full for 5 bucks. Perhaps lend lease ammo for Brits? I might shoot it but a collector might say its worth more to them. Opinions above sound good on your ammo collector value.
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Great, thanks - Can you post a picture of your box?
 
A friend gave me 40 or so of the .380 cartridges. I shot them all in my H&R Defender 38. (.38 S&W). I don't know what they would have been worth as collector items:rolleyes: but it was fun shooting them!
 
PeakXV said:
Interesting - thanks for your input. Quick question ... if they are not military issue then for what other reason(s) would submachine gun cartridges be issued for on 5 Feb 1942? Or are 'military issue' & 'issued for potential military use' all together different animals when discerning between wartime dated ammo?
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Could possibly be a re-pack of an earlier produced box. Left-over boxes from a printing run meant for the early 1930's and sold for use in (as mentioned) the Thompson.
At one time the Thompson M1928 was sold to the general public and was advertised as protection against cattle rustlers etc. I remember seeing an add featuring a cowboy in hat and chaps firing a Thompson at rustlers.
Cheers
 
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