WSSM's.. Debunking the Myths
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i have yet to see a saum or wssm in a shooters hand.
I'd rather have a bigger case capacity and stuff it with better modern powders
edited to add: actually, i've never even seen wssm or saum ammo in a gun store
I'd rather have a bigger case capacity and stuff it with better modern powders
edited to add: actually, i've never even seen wssm or saum ammo in a gun store
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Have you looked or asked for it?... all the stores here regularly stock WSM and WSSM ammo.
How often do you shoot at the range or with other shooters... I guess I am in a unique posititon where I see most of the shooters/hunters in this area regularly.
How often do you shoot at the range or with other shooters... I guess I am in a unique posititon where I see most of the shooters/hunters in this area regularly.
I think the entire point is that they provide very servicable magnum performance in a short action.
But Supercub, I seriously doubt this situation would happen in reverse.
Why a person would bother making a standard action cartridge to mimic a short action cartridge that already performs that well is beyond me.
Mind you the whole short action hype is a little beyond me anyway.
I think the beauty of the 300 WSM is that it provides 308 Norma Mag ballistics in a smaller lighter rifle.
The Norma Mag is a great cartridge that has faded into obscurity because of the .300 Win Mag and in any real sense is still quite capable.
Game wasn't any less dead when shot by the Norma.
The 270 WSM is clearly a great idea.
It satisfies on 3 big counts......it actually improves on the old Winchester round(quite a feat!), it's a short action cartridge and it's easier & cheaper to run than the 270 Wby Mag which is the only more powerful cartridge in the .270 class.
I have mixed feelings about the 325 WSM as seems neither fish nor fowl; too close to both the 300 WSM and the 338 Win Mag and not significantly close enough to the .338 in much the same way that 8x57 is with 308 Win and 30-06.
Add to that the general allergy of the US hunting movement to 8mm rounds and it doesn't make for a great combination.
That said, for someone with a 270 Win or similar in the market for a powerful short action rifle they'd look a long way before finding something with as much thump.
I don't know.
In the end it's all pretty academic.
You either like the WSM cartridges and buy it or you think is hype and buy old faithful.
But you can keep the WSSMs......despite the moderate success of the 25 WSSM I think they're very pointless.
But Supercub, I seriously doubt this situation would happen in reverse.
Why a person would bother making a standard action cartridge to mimic a short action cartridge that already performs that well is beyond me.
Mind you the whole short action hype is a little beyond me anyway.
I think the beauty of the 300 WSM is that it provides 308 Norma Mag ballistics in a smaller lighter rifle.
The Norma Mag is a great cartridge that has faded into obscurity because of the .300 Win Mag and in any real sense is still quite capable.
Game wasn't any less dead when shot by the Norma.
The 270 WSM is clearly a great idea.
It satisfies on 3 big counts......it actually improves on the old Winchester round(quite a feat!), it's a short action cartridge and it's easier & cheaper to run than the 270 Wby Mag which is the only more powerful cartridge in the .270 class.
I have mixed feelings about the 325 WSM as seems neither fish nor fowl; too close to both the 300 WSM and the 338 Win Mag and not significantly close enough to the .338 in much the same way that 8x57 is with 308 Win and 30-06.
Add to that the general allergy of the US hunting movement to 8mm rounds and it doesn't make for a great combination.
That said, for someone with a 270 Win or similar in the market for a powerful short action rifle they'd look a long way before finding something with as much thump.
I don't know.
In the end it's all pretty academic.
You either like the WSM cartridges and buy it or you think is hype and buy old faithful.
But you can keep the WSSMs......despite the moderate success of the 25 WSSM I think they're very pointless.
The one store i go to frequently doesnt have any. The other stores, i only browsed wuickly i must and havent really been looking for it, but i have seen some WSM.
regarding going te the range, i go 2 to 3 timesa month, and have been able to shoot with alot people. I have yet to see a wssm. I'll ask around to see if anyone has one, but i doubt it.
Then again, i do live in Québec, where reloading components are as hard to find as a rust free car.
I do like the wsm though. I like being able to upgrade to something similar to a 300wm using a .308win SA rifle. In this way, i see a use for wsm cartridges. Isn't that argument a moot point with wssm's since they have their own action/bolt design?
regarding going te the range, i go 2 to 3 timesa month, and have been able to shoot with alot people. I have yet to see a wssm. I'll ask around to see if anyone has one, but i doubt it.
Then again, i do live in Québec, where reloading components are as hard to find as a rust free car.
I do like the wsm though. I like being able to upgrade to something similar to a 300wm using a .308win SA rifle. In this way, i see a use for wsm cartridges. Isn't that argument a moot point with wssm's since they have their own action/bolt design?
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Wsm? I have a 6.5 and a 300, and a 6.5WSSM love 'em all.
A WSM holds the world one mile record and one of the 1,000 yard bench records.
The 300 is getting more and more trigger time on the 1,000 yard cicuit, and we are seeing more of them at our range in hunting rifles also.
The WSSM we don't see too much, but they are out there for sure.
Thge 6.5WSSM is really cool, gets the job done very well in a long tube for 1,000 yard work, and in a hunting rifle gets more velocity than the 260 remington.
As far as accuracy goes, the case is secondary to the bullet and barrel, IMHO, as long as the recoil is kept to a minimum.
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A WSM holds the world one mile record and one of the 1,000 yard bench records.
The 300 is getting more and more trigger time on the 1,000 yard cicuit, and we are seeing more of them at our range in hunting rifles also.
The WSSM we don't see too much, but they are out there for sure.
Thge 6.5WSSM is really cool, gets the job done very well in a long tube for 1,000 yard work, and in a hunting rifle gets more velocity than the 260 remington.
As far as accuracy goes, the case is secondary to the bullet and barrel, IMHO, as long as the recoil is kept to a minimum.
Cat
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A short mag compared to a standard cartridge makes for a lively debate but in the field a well placed shot by a 100 year old cartridge or from one of the new shorties is the standard to which they will be judged. 
In reality 100 fps one way or the other can't make up for skill or lack there of. I can't say which is "better' but its nice to have a choice.
In reality 100 fps one way or the other can't make up for skill or lack there of. I can't say which is "better' but its nice to have a choice.X2 .......and besides the fact that most game is shot within 100yds, maybe 200 at best, and all the improvements that the new stuff comes with is moot.303carbine said:A short mag compared to a standard cartridge makes for a lively debate but in the field a well placed shot by a 100 year old cartridge or from one of the new shorties is the standard to which they will be judged.
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Here's my .02 for what it's worth...
None of the WSM's, SAUM's or WSSM's can give me anything that I can't get/do with a standard ctg in my current battery.
That all said, I've been itching to get a rifle in 7mm WSM since the outset. Not because I think there will be anything magic about it. But just because I want one to play with.
I think that about sums it up...
None of the WSM's, SAUM's or WSSM's can give me anything that I can't get/do with a standard ctg in my current battery.
That all said, I've been itching to get a rifle in 7mm WSM since the outset. Not because I think there will be anything magic about it. But just because I want one to play with.
I think that about sums it up...
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
NAA said:None of the WSM's, SAUM's or WSSM's can give me anything that I can't get/do with a standard ctg in my current battery.
That all said, I've been itching to get a rifle in 7mm WSM since the outset. Not because I think there will be anything magic about it. But just because I want one to play with.
I think that about sums it up...
Yup, that would about say it all!
it's also the reason I shoot so many wildcats, just because!
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
It really sucks trying to keep ahead of the game , doesn't it?stubblejumper said:I used to say the same thing.But whenever I get a rifle built to shoot one of the wildcats,someone commercializes it.
When I had the 6.5WSM made I had to get the dies custom made, now they are stock items!
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Yeah... The winning trend is defintely toward the Short Fat cases in the competition circles...catnthehatt said:
I love the argument that comes after you point this out to the naysayers...
I guess accuracy and efficiency have no place in the hunting world eh SuperSuperCub said:
The improvements in design and powders and bullets and materials all benefit us... whether we hunt, compete or just shoot for fun.
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The wildcat 6.5WSSM holds slightly more powder and can run at higher presssures ( thicker brass) than the .260 Remington, for those that are wondering "why?"
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The tenth woman was obviously a fur trader Russ....Russ said:In a random survey...9 out of 10 women perfer men with LONG actions
Don't know what the 10TH women was thinking about
Russ...
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- Alberta, Canada
They are a ploy to sell more rifles to the consumer. If it works then great, everybody could use more rifles. If more people buy them becuse of it, then our sport may regain the popularity of what it once was. I find that it targets the newbies who are not too sure of what they are and believe that they are the best thing out there. A starter rifle in 270 wssm? Maybe.
I am not going to jump on the wssm bandwagon because I already have rifles that will do what I need them to do.
If you want to buy one great. I am NOT telling you NOT to buy one.
I am not going to jump on the wssm bandwagon because I already have rifles that will do what I need them to do.
If you want to buy one great. I am NOT telling you NOT to buy one.
