WSSM's.. Debunking the Myths
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If you cant do it with 3, I doubt you will do it with 5
The Browning 300 WSM I had only held two and one in the tube. I think there is a difference between a short action WSM and the comparable magnum, the rifles handle differently, I don't believe there is any difference in recoil, ballistics are comparable. I think the WSSm are just stupid, they advance nothing over most short action calibres, my 25-284 blows the doors off the 25WSSM, I expect these will die a quick death with the demise of the model 70. Winchester/Browning bought into there own hype, short is better, really short is different. How many guys will ever own or even think about owning a .22 PPC, what for, they should have just done the .257 WSM and got all us really drooling. That calibre would really accomplish something, 257 weatherby ballistics in a short action.
The WSSM calibres (not the WSM) are destined for the scrap heap, probably just as quickly as the 325 WSM.
The WSSM calibres (not the WSM) are destined for the scrap heap, probably just as quickly as the 325 WSM.
Claven2 said:
My Mdl 70 will hold 3 +1 300WSM...And yes, you can load this CRF rifle with 3, drop a cartridge into the chamber and close the bolt on it!
My 7 RM takes 3+1, Various 300WM and 338 WM have held 3+1, and the Savage 30-06 I have holds 3+1...
Brno 602 is 5 +1 of 375 H&H......
wsw
You get your self a 7mmwsm it is the best one of all wsm it does it all and very good, smallest group I ever fired was with 7mmwsm under.100 this cartridge is just plain amazing
NAA said:None of the WSM's, SAUM's or WSSM's can give me anything that I can't get/do with a standard ctg in my current battery.
That all said, I've been itching to get a rifle in 7mm WSM since the outset. Not because I think there will be anything magic about it. But just because I want one to play with.
I think that about sums it up...
You get your self a 7mmwsm it is the best one of all wsm it does it all and very good, smallest group I ever fired was with 7mmwsm under.100 this cartridge is just plain amazing
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If a 257sm came about, It would be next on the toys list.
do they make short mag lever actions?
do they make short mag lever actions?
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Chromed lined barrels. Now that is very interesting indeed. I have heard mixed reviews about making a match grade chrome lined barrel. I guess the plating adds another variable.
However, for long lasting barrels, that is really cool. Do they plate the throat as well???
Even if all these barrels could shoot was 1/2 to 3/4MOA, that would be ALOT of varmint getting. Triple the barrel life????? Shoot non stop for 50rds...100rds????
As much as the WSSM may be a commercial dud, I really like the super short actions. I think a 6.5WSSM, even the 243WSSM with super heavy bullets in a barrel blocked rifle would be a great F class or moderate weight LR BR rifle.
Jerry
However, for long lasting barrels, that is really cool. Do they plate the throat as well???
Even if all these barrels could shoot was 1/2 to 3/4MOA, that would be ALOT of varmint getting. Triple the barrel life????? Shoot non stop for 50rds...100rds????
As much as the WSSM may be a commercial dud, I really like the super short actions. I think a 6.5WSSM, even the 243WSSM with super heavy bullets in a barrel blocked rifle would be a great F class or moderate weight LR BR rifle.
Jerry
As far as I can see the issue with the WSSM action is that it IS that short.
I've never tried loading for one but I'd imagine that without a custom chambering (i.e. longer throat) and some mods to the magazine fit longer bullets that it may be quite problematic loading the heavier bullets weights.
The 6.5 WSSM should really suffer from this.
And Cat I know your have a 6.5 WSSM but it has the custom chamber I spoke of and is a single shot.
The other issue, particularly with the .243 WSSM is that it is hardly faster than the .243 Win in real terms.
Ammo for .243 Win is much cheaper & available as are the rifles.
How can the WSSM expect to compete with that?
As a matter of interest, the Japanese Arisaka T99 and T38 rifles both had chrome plated bores not to extend bbl life but to protect the bore from corrosive powders & primers and tropical climates.
I've never tried loading for one but I'd imagine that without a custom chambering (i.e. longer throat) and some mods to the magazine fit longer bullets that it may be quite problematic loading the heavier bullets weights.
The 6.5 WSSM should really suffer from this.
And Cat I know your have a 6.5 WSSM but it has the custom chamber I spoke of and is a single shot.
The other issue, particularly with the .243 WSSM is that it is hardly faster than the .243 Win in real terms.
Ammo for .243 Win is much cheaper & available as are the rifles.
How can the WSSM expect to compete with that?
As a matter of interest, the Japanese Arisaka T99 and T38 rifles both had chrome plated bores not to extend bbl life but to protect the bore from corrosive powders & primers and tropical climates.
I had to bump this one to the top again... another innocent thread has been hijacked by this debate and I thought it only fair!
The usual suspects are regurgitating the same old rhetoric on the 25wssm and the truth scares them.
The usual suspects are regurgitating the same old rhetoric on the 25wssm and the truth scares them.
Good one, BR.BIGREDD said:
Bump it to the top so you cab spout your usual rhetoric.
I'm not making any judgments on the 25 WSSM but the fact is that it, like all of the WSSMs, has to compete with existing cartridges.
If it doesn't measure up or, more importantly, does not establish any measurable improvement or benefit over and above the current offering the reception is going to be lukewarm however accurate it may be.
If you want a 25-06 in a short case then fine but let's not pretend it's invented anything new in terms of performance, eh?
kombi1976 said:Good one, BR.
Bump it to the top so you cab spout your usual rhetoric.
I'm not making any judgments on the 25 WSSM but the fact is that it, like all of the WSSMs, has to compete with existing cartridges.
If it doesn't measure up or, more importantly, does not establish any measurable improvement or benefit over and above the current offering the reception is going to be lukewarm however accurate it may be.
If you want a 25-06 in a short case then fine but let's not pretend it's invented anything new in terms of performance, eh?
Your gonna accuse me of using Rhetoric... Wow.. did you even read the twaddle you just posted.
What have you just offered for facts and figures Kombi???
Let me see now... firstly you take a feeble shot at moi for spouting rhetoric ... secondly you hint that the wssm's offer nothing new... then allude that they are lacking in performance.
All of my statements regarding these cartridges have been backed up with published data, facts and first hand experience.
You should debate with some facts... or at least a little style.... otherwise your just another brick in the wall.
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kombi1976 said:My understanding is that Cat had his 6.5 WSM converted to a WSSM.
But of course he can straighten us out on this one.
I originally had two 6.5WSM's ( traded Old badger for one ) and had my own rechambered after the throat washed out.
It is now a 24" barrelled 6.5WSSM.
I still have the 6.5WSM, however, and continue to shoot BOTH of them in match competition and hunt with the 6.5WSM occasionally.
Both are very accurate and fun to shoot .
When I rebarrel the 6.5WSM I will do it in a lighter barrell however.
That is the answer to one mystery.
The other?
hell, I thought at one time Toddbartell was maybe Todd Bertusi because of an avatar he used!
Cat
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Yep.......and I typed it first.BIGREDD said:Your gonna accuse me of using Rhetoric... Wow.. did you even read the twaddle you just posted.
And me re-offering facts and figures on a cartridge that has been discussed to death would contribute what exactly?BIGREDD said:
I don't think it was a feeble shot.....it was rather well aimed actually.BIGREDD said:
BR, at the first sign of someone dissing a WSM or WSSM cartridge you go off like a frog in a sock and say people are "scared" by the truth.....
I'm sorry but your responses are very predictable.
As far as I'm concerned that's rhetoric.
This is ridiculous!BIGREDD said:secondly you hint that the wssm's offer nothing new... then allude that they are lacking in performance.
You wilfully misread things.
Ok, did I say that they're the same as a 25-06?
No, clearly they offer the power of a bigger cartridge in a VERY short action.
And in who's book exactly is the 25-06 a cartridge lacking in performance?
Anything that an match a 25-06 is laudable.
Ok, at which point did I say your points were invalid?BIGREDD said:All of my statements regarding these cartridges have been backed up with published data, facts and first hand experience.
You should debate with some facts... or at least a little style.... otherwise your just another brick in the wall.
All I said was that you have your own little soapbox rant and that any new cartridge has to be compared with what's already on offer to judge it's legitimacy.
BR, all a person has to do to get a response from you is to disagree in the mildest manner and they can get literally months of entertainment out of your extreme reactions.
I might also add that a smilie waving a little flag with BS written on it offers no more legitimacy to your arguments.
I guess the biggest question is whether or not you can bear not to unleash a tirade on me.
Go on, give this Aussie bastard the tongue lashing he deserves.......or can you restrain yourself??
