WTF! factory ammo + new rifle

Glock4ever-thanks and understood! i will try and get some higher count groups going when i have the chance, and hopefully get the rifle on a lead sled or similar rest, the above shots where off a bipod and home made sand bag out back.. i get what u mean about the overall of the 3 groups over lapped not being sub moa, in my last post i took the lowest and highes of all 9 shots, and it comes out to about 1.6 MOA

Sorry to any one who feels i was being a jack ass towards them, i started this thread to find experienced incite not be told its its all my fault. but this thread wasnt started to discuss my groupings it was started cuz i went from groups like above to not being able to hit paper in the matter of 10 rounds threw the gun. which turns out to have been the scope..

Miltiades the scoped used was a millet TRS-1 4-16x50 mildot, i went back to the place of purchase and showed them the wobble in the windage knob, they asked me to leave my rifle and they will swap scopes over for me and return the other one
 
Here is a way to use three targets and confirm your POA at the same time. Three CZ 527 targets I fired with 40 grain VMAX at 100 yards.

Target 1:
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Target 2:
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Target 3:
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You can see that the rifle (CZ 527 American Light Barrel) shoots quite well (1.5 MOA likely) and that my POI is about 3/4" high at 100 yards. Keep doing what you are doing and study your targets. Your rifle sounds like it has excellent potential if it can shoot AE into 1.5MOA at 200 yards. Frequently rifles that shoot well at 100 yards don't shoot as well at 200 and 300 yards... I have found that a 1 MOA rifle at 100 yards can become a 2-3 MOA rifle at 300 yards. That is the reason a lot of guys around here will tell you that groups up close (<300 yards) aren't a true reflection of the rifle's accuracy. Good luck with your new purchase...
 
Looks like the best advice was post 18...

Glock4ever who cares if he is lying by 1" or 2? They guy has a problem and was asking for advice. Why does everyone on here have to put in some comment on how a guys if full of B S when he is just asking for some plain old help?
 
i wouldnt say i was lying, just lookin at things different way, so i understand what glock4 is saying and takeing in as much info as i can as hes putting it in a constructive criticism way rather then telling me i dont know whats what.

i dont mind help and i dont mind constructive criticism, i just like it with out attitude, but as above it looks like the problem has been solved, via a new scope so ill hit the range with a lead sled or the likes and track down some loading dies and see what this rifle will really do
 
Glock4ever: that was actually some usefull insight to my own problems. Even though inadvertant, Cheers.

Almost forgot about the original question by the o.p. Im glad it was able to work out for you. Atleast they will replace the scope, and it is not an issue with the rifle itself.
 
yeah im glad it was the scope too, i suppose i did jump the gun abit, on assuming it was the rifle, but what are the chances the scope would go right as i changed ammo type / weight.. but hey, learnt a few new things that weren't really relevant to my problem and found out the source of my problem. all in all useful thread haha
 
Longbomber: It isn't a question of lying (I don't consider the OP to be a liar - as his groups are technically sub-MOA but as I posted in my link 3 rd groups are by no means definitive); it is a point that there is a mean amount of deviation to be expected in shooting a group. If you look at my 100m Hornet Target. If I fired a 3 rd group at 100m and reported a sub-MOA group but it was 1" High and .5" left and then later that day fired another 3 rd sub-MOA group but it was 1" Low and 1.5" right - I could say that something was wrong with my rifle and scope and try have the wise folks here troubleshoot my "problem". What I was trying to point out is that both groups are normal for the rifle. At 200 yards this would be even more amplified as the groups would be more spread out. The OP mentioned that after cleaning the groups went from sub-MOA to 5" groups. My point was that this 5" group may be entirely normal for the rifle and not necessarily mean that there was something wrong with his rifle or scope. I was not accusing him of lying but offering a potential solution to his problem. Keep in mind that no targets were posted until the 4th-5th page of this thread so everybody was trying to troubleshoot in the dark. None of my posts were meant to slag the OP or call him a liar, it was to provide another viewpoint/solution to his question... Hopefully if you look at my target you can see what I am trying to say.
 
Glock4ever - Sorry I re-read my post and I sounded like a d)(k. You did provide some very usefull advice. I do see you point about shifting groups. But shifting groups that go right off the paper are likely a scope issue, barring the barreled action coming out of the stock, the POI should not shift 5+" or right off the paper.
 
its possible, but i kinda put some thought into that, but i wouldn't exactly call the difference in recoil from a 55gr .223 to a 64gr .223 shoulder breaking, but your probably right... cuz what do i know, my first center fire rifle was a .338winmag haha, after having that for a while, it takes about 50rds down range before it becomes less fun to shoot (stock recoil pad, and no muzzle break) hell even a .300wm i can shoot all day comfortably.

but all is much better now, groups will hold 1-1.25MOA with factory ammo so im much happier now
 
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