WW2 bomber crew sidearms

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No sign of holsters here. A pistol wouldn't do you much good if you got shot down, and could get caught up when bailing out. The German often had small caliber pocket pistols in shirt pockets, the locals were often unfriendly. The allies weren't into pocket pistols so much.
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i spoke to a canadian p-51 pilot once, who carried a pistol during the war, no mention of what it was.
also talked to a navigator who said they had one, with a mind of keeping the locals from killing you before you could surrender to the military if you bailed out, again, no mention of what

x2 on the keeping civilians at bay bit. I have read of several instances where German authorities literally saved the lives of downed fliers. Civilians didn't feel a lot of love towards the guys who had been killing them until a few hours before. I read an account of a downed German pilot on Malta who was set upon by locals and beheaded. A local bar owner pickled the head in a large glass jar and proudly displayed it behind the bar. But then Malta was really pasted by the Germans and Italians from the air not to mentioned starved due to shipping losses caused by Axis bombers.
 
For one thing, remember that each Armed Service looked after prisoners from its opposite number. Thus, RCAF, RAF, USAAF, RAAF, RRAF, RSAAF, RIAF, RNZAF men serving in Europe and captured would have been turned over to the Luftwaffe for interrogation, processing, transportation, housing, Red Cross registration and so forth. Naval prisoners would have been turned over to the Kriegsmarine, Army prisoners to the Heer. Each Service maintained its own system of Assembly Camps, Transit Camps (Durchlager) and Branch Camps (Stammlager or"Stalag").

Jerry had only the one fair-sized Naval camp, attempted to downsize the Army camps after June, 1940..... but the Luftwaffe camps just grew and grew. Yes, prisoners WERE released from time to time: even the Danish Royal Bodyguard troops, who fought very hard and were NOT in Hitler's "good book" were released in 1942 and 1943, by which time many French troops were long gone. In special cases, prisoners might be returned to their own belligerant country while the war still was going on, generally using neutral Portugal as the transit country, Switzerland being landlocked.

It was all very organised and not much at all like in the movies. "The Great Escape" is quite true to the actual conditions in a Stalag: the man who wrote the original book, who had ample opportunity to talk with people who were there, was an advisor on making the film.

Thing is, this system operated on BOTH SIDES, with prisoners segregated by Service on our side, in entirely separate camp structures on Jerry's side.

If a man were captured with a side-arm, it would be the first (and most ticklish) thing he lost. MUCH better to guard your scarves (with maps printed into them), your bootlaces (pliable hacksaws), your uniform buttons (especially the on holding the compass) and ll the rst of the "escape gear" with which so many were outfitted.

That said, I DID once own an Enfield revolver, a very nice Numbr 2 Mark 1 built in 1931...... with "R.A.F." very professionally engraved into the frame.

So they do exist. How much USE was made of them is another matter. Only man I ever knew who actually fought his way out of capture used a rock and his bare hands, came home (through Spain and Portugal) with a P-38 which Fritz didn't need any longer. He was a B-25 pilot of some considerable note, the FIRST pilot to bale out of a crippled Mitchell and live to tell about it. (Getting out of a Mitchell was regarded as impossible for the Pilot, but he worked it out, had a tiny Sterling silver B-25 lapel pin to prove it..... given to him by North American Aircraft. The Air Force gave him 2 weeks' leave and a brand-new Mitchell, told him to go do it again.)

Smellie, (and all,) My brother had a house in Prince George, BC, and a family moved in next door. They were friendly neighbors and everybody got to know each other very well. I too, knew the man.
After about thirty years the neighbor died. Big story in the paper. The man was one of the escapes from that same great escape!!!!
Living side by side for all those years and the fellow never mentioned one thing about it.
The fellows name has escaped me, but I can find out from my brother what his name was, and PM it to you, if you keep track of such things.
 
My wife is in the process of getting her Grandfather's revolver who served in WWII. He was also a navigator who flew on Lancaster's. She also has his service flight log. Pretty interesting stuff. This pistol was initially to be deactivated, but we caught wind of this and saved it from the horror. The gunsmith who currently has it says that it's a Smith & Wesson model 10 chambered in 38S&W. Some how it had been previously registered as a short barreled prohib, but he says it makes restricted length, and he will verify it, and get the classification changed.

 
We had a RAF Lanc pilot as a member of our morning coffee group for a number of years. He mentioned carrying an "acquired" Beretta 32 Auto in a pocket when flying over Germany. Pistol was for keeping civilians at bay if shot down until rescued by Luftwaffe.

Flight Lieutenant Foster passed away last summer. A very interesting man to talk with.
 
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I have an RAF marked enfield pistol in mint condition and a exc+ 1929 Colt 1911 38 super pistol marked with an RCAF pilot's name and rank on it.
 
My father flew with RCAF during war. he was a target shooter with some interest in guns. He mentioned shooting some skeet, as official shooting practice to learn how to lead a moving target, etc., but only mentioned a sidearm once.

He recounted the crew going out to a moored Canso in a dingy and a flock of ducks flying by. He pulled his revolver (S&W 38S&W) fired a shot and hit one of the ducks. He told me he meant it as a joke, but never told the crew that it was pure luck. The revolver had a web holster and belt with a single ammo pouch on it.

I don't see the gun in any of his aircrew pictures, so don't know what the deal was.
 
Thanks for the info everyone... I haven't had a chance to read all the replies but it is looking like they definitely did not all carry sidearms but probably had the option to if they wanted...

My grandpa didn't seem like the kind of person that would WANT to carry one, plus it probably would have got snagged on the tiny window he jumped through.
 
not sure if i'm supposed to be discussing this in the milsurp form but there is an Enfield revolver for sale in the EE that is marked RAF... Was this common? obviously anyone could have stamped that on there and its probably impossible to verify the authenticity. I've noticed some other pictures on the net of RAF marked revolvers.
 
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I just took a quick look on the EE.

That one is kosher, far as I am concerned.

Marking is done precisely as was mine.... and I bought mine when they were just a $16 drug on the market and there was zero interest in most Milsurps.... and most definitely none in Enfield revolvers.

If you look at it very carefully, you will see that the marking is ENGRAVED exactly the way I posted it. It is NOT stamped or rollmarked.

Hope this helps.
 
I don't THINK that any RCAF air crew carried any type of side arm.
I knew many returned air crew, including a long time friend I mentioned earlier. We have been on many remote camping trips together and told a lot of stories around camp fires, but he never mentioned having a hand gun.
Not one single returning air crew member I knew, or talked to, mentioned guns.
What would be the point of having a gun? If it was for protection on bailing out, it would just get them killed, instead of captured.

Never seen a Canadian or Brit pictured with a side arm, but lot's of yanks.;) Especially towards the end of the war, German civilians could get downright nasty towards air crew members.

Grizz
 
The (late) RCAF Spitfire pilot I knew was issued an Enfield in .380.

After shooting it with the 147gr fmj he obtained 9mm parabellum and carried the gun loaded with 9mm.
And the gun will survive a cylinder or two before it dies.

He said if you were only going to get a cylinder off you might as well use an effective cartridge.

He had a trick with a piece of string to extract the fired cases, but never demonstrated (to me).
 
The (late) RCAF Spitfire pilot I knew was issued an Enfield in .380.

After shooting it with the 147gr fmj he obtained 9mm parabellum and carried the gun loaded with 9mm.
And the gun will survive a cylinder or two before it dies.

He said if you were only going to get a cylinder off you might as well use an effective cartridge.

He had a trick with a piece of string to extract the fired cases, but never demonstrated (to me).

When I was a teenager I shot about 200 rounds of 9mm parabellum in a 38 S&W, before the cylinder blew.
At that time we never used eye or ear protection and I can assure you it is not a nice experience to have the cylinder blow up when you are shooing it!
It was a beautiful, many colored ball of fire, but the thunder was pretty violent.
 
Not sure about Canadian crews, but most American flyers in the Pacific carried S&W Victory Model revolvers with 4" barrels in .38SPL. The RCAF had lots of 5" Victory revolvers in stores, all in .38-200, but not sure how many actually went aloft in aircraft.
 
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