X95 And PMAG Issue

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So brand new rifle, did the conversion from right to left hand bolt. Rifle goes bang instead of click. So far so good. Bought some GEN2 PMAGs. Out of 5, only 2 will seat and lock in the mag well when loaded with the 5 rounds. Unloaded they all lock in the mag well perfectly. All loaded and sit in mag well perfectly with snap caps. I can’t see any difference with the mags visually. What the hell? I’m a humble guy and prefer to first blame myself rather than a rifle with this solid reputation. Thoughts?

Ok I think I solved it….there was thread I had seen here from a member who had problems with the PMAGs in his X95. Problem was they won’t seat if loaded to 5. So I put 4….no problems seating. But how the hell??? The other mags work fine with 5…..and it’s not like there’s a huge weight difference.
 
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You might want to put a mark on the magazines when loaded with open bolt and closed bolt and see how they seat in the mag well. If there's any variation in travel when seated you'll want to start at the top of the mag and go down from there, checking for relevant marks in the mag well and the mags. Maybe use a white grease pencil to search for tells.

This is kind of unrelated. Take a look at the back of the magazine feed ways. If it's a round notch at the top you'll find it good to square it out so it looks like a Gen 3 with a squared notch.The reason being is that the bolts on Tavors tend to not like the rounded notch and eventually you could see damage to the bolt. At least this was explained to me a few years back.

Or you could just grab some Gen 3s and run with them. Typically they're good to go I hear.

-S.
 
Well I do need to buy more mags anyway and was going to grab some GEN3s. But I will test on open and closed bolt as you suggest. Thanks very much guys. Truly appreciated.
 
Yeah, I have stopped using PMAGs in my X95 for partly this reason but also because I discovered the LAR15 mags. As long as they are still legal and available through retail channels I will continue using them (C Products Defence ones are great). The advantage in using those for me is that I can actually shoot seated at a bench with a Caldwell rest. With a PMAG, it would protrude too much for me to sit down. But even for the LAR15 mag, consistent seating of the mag with rounds it would be one round less even though they aren't pinned. Most of my .223/5.56 semi autos have issues with magazine seating on a full mag - and some, yes, you can give it an upwards wallop to get it seated, but some (MRA Renegade) you cannot - it won't seat at all unless I have 3-4 in a PMAG 5/30 and 8 in a LAR15.

EDIT: Should add that problems seating as cited above is on a closed bolt.
 
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thegazelle said:
Yeah, I have stopped using PMAGs in my X95 for partly this reason but also because I discovered the LAR15 mags. As long as they are still legal and available through retail channels I will continue using them (C Products Defence ones are great). The advantage in using those for me is that I can actually shoot seated at a bench with a Caldwell rest. With a PMAG, it would protrude too much for me to sit down. But even for the LAR15 mag, consistent seating of the mag with rounds it would be one round less even though they aren't pinned. Most of my .223/5.56 semi autos have issues with magazine seating on a full mag - and some, yes, you can give it an upwards wallop to get it seated, but some (MRA Renegade) you cannot - it won't seat at all unless I have 3-4 in a PMAG 5/30 and 8 in a LAR15.

EDIT: Should add that problems seating as cited above is on a closed bolt.
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Interesting. I have an X95 inbound and some Lar15 mags. Is there enough of the Lar15 mag protruding from the x95 magwell to beer can the mag in?
 
Painkillers said:
Interesting. I have an X95 inbound and some Lar15 mags. Is there enough of the Lar15 mag protruding from the x95 magwell to beer can the mag in?
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Hey there, not sure what is meant by beer canning the mag. As for the protrusion, it's not very pronounced even if I bring the X95 forward - it clears the bench with the LAR15 in it on the low bag rest - shaped like two triangles side by side (meant to be for the rear of the rifle, but I use it for the barrel)
 
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Hey there, not sure what is meant by beer canning the mag. As for the protrusion, it's not very pronounced even if I bring the X95 forward - it clears the bench with the LAR15 in it on the low bag rest - shaped like two triangles side by side (meant to be for the rear of the rifle, but I use it for the barrel)
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"Beer can". Imagine holding the magazine as you would a beer can, full hand wrap. I was asking if there is enough room to seat it while holding the magazine in this fashion.
 
Painkillers said:
"Beer can". Imagine holding the magazine as you would a beer can, full hand wrap. I was asking if there is enough room to seat it while holding the magazine in this fashion.
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If I understand what you are saying correctly, the answer is no. Between the shortness of the LAR15 plus the protrusion piece behind the magwell towards the back, when you hold it like a can and insert it, you will lose grip over much of it as it is inserted - so you won't be able to get it seated if you want to hold the whole mag with your hand the whole time. Most of the mag will slip out of your hand when inserted and if not seated you will have to give it a smack from the bottom to seat it. It is not like the PMAG 5/30's protrusion that when it is seated, your hand can still completely surround the lower to middle part of the mag.

To confirm I just tried it on an empty LAR15 with my X95 and I can confirm this is the case. and I have small hands, so I suspect that this issue would be even more pronounced for those with average to larger sized hands.
 
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What you quoted, the topic at hand and what you said didn't jive if that what you meant. Lots of guys shooting SERVICE RIFLE on this forum.
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Yeah, my bad. I forgot about all the guys with semi-auto only clones (they should be allowed to use the real thing in my opinion). To my tiny Infantard brain service rifles go S-R-A.

-S.
 
thegazelle said:
If I understand what you are saying correctly, the answer is no. Between the shortness of the LAR15 plus the protrusion piece behind the magwell towards the back, when you hold it like a can and insert it, you will lose grip over much of it as it is inserted - so you won't be able to get it seated if you want to hold the whole mag with your hand the whole time. Most of the mag will slip out of your hand when inserted and if not seated you will have to give it a smack from the bottom to seat it. It is not like the PMAG 5/30's protrusion that when it is seated, your hand can still completely surround the lower to middle part of the mag.

To confirm I just tried it on an empty LAR15 with my X95 and I can confirm this is the case. and I have small hands, so I suspect that this issue would be even more pronounced for those with average to larger sized hands.
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Thanks. Is there such a thing as a 20 or 30 round Lar15 mag pinned to 10 for "pistols"?
 
Painkillers said:
Thanks. Is there such a thing as a 20 or 30 round Lar15 mag pinned to 10 for "pistols"?
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I don't believe such a thing exists. As it stands, the LAR15 is in a bit of a grey area, since the RCMP has removed the explicit "exception" for it for reference. I don't think there is a larger capacity pinned LAR15. The fact that it is designed for pistol would not lend to a larger capacity of 30-40 rounds - I would think this differs than say, a Glock 9mm mag that can go up to 33 rounds, but the 9mm rounds are significantly lighter as a whole than a .223 round - I am not sure it would make practical sense for someone to shoot a pistol with 30 rounds of .223 in it. I don't think that was the original design for the LAR pistol anyway. But hey, I have been wrong before.
 
There are actually 10/30 and 10/20 LAR-15 mags, they are crimped and made by ASC. The 20 rounders are a bit rare these days, I own the 10/30’s myself and they run alright. I still prefer using my cross mags and regular pinned pmags.
 
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