X95 or T97 Gen3?
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Vote with our dollars? Buying a Tavor thinking you are not supporting China while typing this out on a Chinese made computer or cell using a Chinese Internet modem after getting home in your Japanese or US made car built with Chinese parts shows the hope to not support China was given away long ago for affordable things......
Painkillers
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Sure, but yours is a strawman argument. If the question remains focused on the two rifles, what part of the Tavor is manufactured in China please?
No parts of course other then maybe the packaging, and of everything else in our houses...
I completely agree with you, unfortunately consumers wanted everything cheap and we chose to become hopelessly dependant on the Chinese.
But back to the debate, the Tavor is a much better platform as expected at 2.5 times the cost, but my friends have one of each, the T97 does what is expected but the cost difference also allows for glass, case, magazines, and ammo. At the end it comes down to your budget, both will do what you need but the Tavor will do it better, but maybe not 2.5 times better.
One can always get a T97 if it does not do what you want then dump not like it is a big investment and move your magazines, case, ammo, and optics to a Tavor. My issue was just getting used to shooting a bullpup after shooting ARs for decades. Part of me still wants a bullpup as conventional layouts seem front heavy, but mag changes are just odd with any bullpup.
I completely agree with you, unfortunately consumers wanted everything cheap and we chose to become hopelessly dependant on the Chinese.
But back to the debate, the Tavor is a much better platform as expected at 2.5 times the cost, but my friends have one of each, the T97 does what is expected but the cost difference also allows for glass, case, magazines, and ammo. At the end it comes down to your budget, both will do what you need but the Tavor will do it better, but maybe not 2.5 times better.
One can always get a T97 if it does not do what you want then dump not like it is a big investment and move your magazines, case, ammo, and optics to a Tavor. My issue was just getting used to shooting a bullpup after shooting ARs for decades. Part of me still wants a bullpup as conventional layouts seem front heavy, but mag changes are just odd with any bullpup.
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Painkillers
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The price variances can be as little as $500.00 Cnd. (Tavor's as low as $2500, and T97's as high as $2000 Cnd)
Who in the heck is selling the T97 at 2k? Do you have a link? If you're looking at used/EE listings, ignore them. People who post there seem to like to sell their used guns at much higher prices than retail for some reason... Probably the "emotional attachment". There are many like it, but this one is mine, yadda yadda... so I'm selling it at my emotional price. Seems to be a common EE trend. Either that, or they're selling it with a ton of mags and accessories.
I'd like you to post a retail listing that's 2k for a stock T97. I got my Gen 1 with the T97.caFTU pre-installed, and it ran me $1300. Ones with the standard upper were about $900-1000 retail at the time, and the FTU is MUCH more solid than the Gen3 top rail. There are posts on here of it coming loose.
Even Cabelas, who I find are typically a tad bit more expensive than some of the CGN sponsored sites, is selling a gen 3 for $1299
https://www.cabelas.ca/product/137805/norinco-type-97-nsr-g3-semi-automatic-rifle
Firearms Outlet is selling them for $1199. Two of them are still cheaper than an X95, but most people who buy 2, get a used Gen1 for like $600 for spare parts.
https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.co...-lok-5-56-nato-223-rem-18-6-type97nsr-g3.html
You have to show me a link where you saw it being sold for 2k.
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Painkillers
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Taking care of your own people is not selfish, it's what every person on this forum wished Canadians were still about.
I find the T97 more natural to hold and aim and more comfortable overall. However I would chose the X95 over it because of the controls, that safety is funky on the t97 and the "ambi" mag release is not so easy to operate.
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Completely agree, unfortunately the reality is we sold our independence decades ago. Imagine refusing to use your Iphone or computer because it was made in China? I challenge anyone to take a yellow sticky pad and walk around your home and sticky anything from China, you will then have a deep understanding what we have done......
starting by the clothing.
I can’t quite understand the obsession over replacement parts for a gun that I’ve never heard of anything breaking on. Truthfully, in my entire collection of rifles and handguns and shotguns, I’ve never had to replace a part, ever.
I’m hindsight, I lied. I did have to replace a magazine spring in my 1962 model 94. That’s it.
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I asked my Army buddy the same thing. He replied how many broken parts have we replaced on our ARs(before our Leader's ban) have we had fail while at the range? Guess that's why the US, Israelis, Brits, Chinese, and Russians only provide cleaning kits and not field replacement kits for their soldiers. But each to their own. Looking inside both platforms have parts way more robust then any of my hunting guns.
I put 6000 rounds through my TAR21 and dryfired it countless times in about 2 years and I was not the first owner. No Issues.
I hit about 2000 rounds on my my X95, stripped it down after a range session and found the firing pin had snapped. Now, it had snapped in a place where both parts were trapped in a narrow channel in the bolt, and so was actually continuing to function. Meaning it had broke much earlier without me noticing. Now you've heard of it! I'm pretty glad I had the foresight to have a spare.
In nearly 9 years in the army, I saw one C7 firing pin snap from dry firing. But that's enough to know that it does happen, it's a critical part, so it's nice to have a replacement.
"Spare parts" for the T97 can be had if you're willing to get creative, it's VERY similar to an AK in a lot of ways. An AK firing pin can be modified to fit.
