The debat on whether to allow or not to allow the use of xbows during the archery season is heating up here in Alberta. As of today xbows are allowed only during the rifle big game season. Okay I,m going hunting , should I take my xbow ,that shoots at the most 50 yrds pushing it , or my rifle that I can shoot to 300 yrds. Might as well consider taking my sons sling shot.Reading some of the posts on an Alberta magizine formum it seems that alot of bow hunters think that xbows are more like a gun than a bow.I think its a no brainer , projectile is a single arrow , like most bows, whats different , well it has a stock like a rifle ,it has a trigger , wait all the bow hunters are using trigger releases now also.I have a feeling that this year xbows will be allowed durning the archery season,not to the liking of the bow hunters , more competetion afeild. A popular sporting goods sold out of excalibur xbows. So is a xbow a gun or a bow?
Xbow...rifle or bow?
- Thread starter deerslayer
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Touchy subject. You are right in saying that bows are becoming more mechanical. The difference is that a xbow can be sustained at full draw all day. A bow must be drawn,and held with muscular power. The biggest challenge with bowhunting is drawing and firing without being noticed. The xbow negates this skill. It leaves the only challenge to be getting within range. You are loaded, poised, ready to pull the trigger. That sounds more like a rifle to me.
I think xbows should have a season. IMO, there should be a season for xbows and muzzleloaders together. They both have the same application and range.
Xbows are a weapon, and they are getting a bigger following of users. And whatever helps the hunting community, I'm behind it.
I think xbows should have a season. IMO, there should be a season for xbows and muzzleloaders together. They both have the same application and range.
Xbows are a weapon, and they are getting a bigger following of users. And whatever helps the hunting community, I'm behind it.
We class xbows as archery equipment here in Ontario. There is a huge difference between a Xbow and other archery equipment it is still a bow. There will always be those who will not always agree with technical differences. I used a recurve bow for many years and watched the same issues develop and play out as compound bows were developed and refined. However the important issue is that allowing crossbows gets many people out hunting that would not be out there if they were restricted to more "traditional" archery equipment. Just like recurve vs compound bow or flintlock vs inline or semi auto vs bolt action, it doesn't matter as long as we are out there enjoying our sport we should be supported by our peers.
fogducker said:its a bow no matter how you look at it..look at the name of it.........crossbow. quess what the bow part stands for?...
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Let them hunt during archery. Granted, the "point and click" advantage of the xbow is convienient, but owning one hardly negates the patience, skill, fieldcraft, and hours of practice that is required to get close enough to an animal to exercise that advantage.
Let the bolts fly!
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Not ebrybody uses wheels and release aids!deerslayer said:
My only issue with these rules is that they are followed in the spirit of that which they were designed.
it is all in the attitude with which the gear is used that is most important.
I have shot a crossbow, and they are not as easy to master as some would believe.
I get my back up however,when someone tells me their gear
is "better " than mine!
I shot what I do becuase i like it, period.
I have no problem sharing the woods with anybody using anyhting, be it bow, rifle , or what ever, as long as that person realizes their limitations with their chosen gear, which is not always so!
Cat
You would think everyone involved in archery would be supportive of other aspects of the sport, how does allowing crossbows during archery season affect anyone using a compound or longbow? I shoot a Hoyt compund and they fling an arrow almost as quick as many crossbows today.
What about those who enjoy archery hunting but are not able to draw or hol a bow at draw due to age or physical abilities?
Sometimes we in the hunting community are our own worst enemies.
What about those who enjoy archery hunting but are not able to draw or hol a bow at draw due to age or physical abilities?
Sometimes we in the hunting community are our own worst enemies.
- Location
- Fraser Valley BC
The Longbow vs Crossbow debate probably started 15 min after the crossbow was invented and since day one, bow people have been looking down on the crossbow people as somehow inferior.
Though the debate will continue forever, it's my solid belief that crossbows are bows and should fully participate in archery hunting season.
Though the debate will continue forever, it's my solid belief that crossbows are bows and should fully participate in archery hunting season.
Bow is a bow, when a crossbow is made accurate to 300 yards perhaps it would be different. One could bring the same thing up about Muzzle loaders, a cap lock shooting a patched round ball or a gun that shoots smokeless....
Andy
Andy
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Are crossbows even that fast. Duck_ Hunter?Duck_Hunter said:
I was of the belief that they were actually slower than a good compound, and you certainly can't get annother arrow ready as fast!
The crossbow I shot was on 100lbs. and not too fast at all, but shot a heavy quarrel, and the penetration was stunning!!
These rules are the same as when the Pope and Young exluded an animal that was taken with anything over 75% let off, IMHO.
Is it unfair, I really don't think so, but somebody thought so!
many people only want to use the "easy stuff" bbecause the havve a belief that it is a lot easier to shoot, which is not altogether correct, it is just different.
Cat
thebuckhunter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Eastern Ontario
A crossbow has the same range as a bow. No more, no less. The only advantage a crossbow has is the fact that there is less motion to release the bolt. It is another tool for hunters to shoot animals. The crossbow's effective killing range is out to 35-40 yards MAX. It will shoot out to 200 yards with one hell of an arc, same as a bow. A bow is more accurate IMO, and is much more quiet. Again, it's considered archery equipment and should fall under archery season. My $0.02.
-Jason
-Jason
Catnthehatt:
Check out the specs at excalibercrossbow.com. They are made right here in Kitchener/Waterloo and are quite impressive. They are extremely accurate too.
From the website:
Excalibur Crossbow has broken new ground with its amazing new "EXOMAX" hunting crossbow. The Exomax is the fastest hunting crossbow ever produced, boasting a 225lb. draw weight and capable of arrow speeds exceeding 350 FPS! Excalibur's proven recurve limb design and ongoing innovations and technology accomplish this amazing speed and power without sacrificing any of the reliability and accuracy that all Excalibur crossbows are famous for. The Exomax comes finished in "Realtree HardwoodsTM" camouflage using the new "Kolorfusion" process for the most detailed and realistic camo finish ever, and has quick detach sling swivels and fibre optic front sight. It is also drilled and tapped to accept our optional scope and quiver mounts. All excalibur crossbows are equipped with our industry leading 3 lb. pull trigger.
Check out the specs at excalibercrossbow.com. They are made right here in Kitchener/Waterloo and are quite impressive. They are extremely accurate too.
From the website:
Excalibur Crossbow has broken new ground with its amazing new "EXOMAX" hunting crossbow. The Exomax is the fastest hunting crossbow ever produced, boasting a 225lb. draw weight and capable of arrow speeds exceeding 350 FPS! Excalibur's proven recurve limb design and ongoing innovations and technology accomplish this amazing speed and power without sacrificing any of the reliability and accuracy that all Excalibur crossbows are famous for. The Exomax comes finished in "Realtree HardwoodsTM" camouflage using the new "Kolorfusion" process for the most detailed and realistic camo finish ever, and has quick detach sling swivels and fibre optic front sight. It is also drilled and tapped to accept our optional scope and quiver mounts. All excalibur crossbows are equipped with our industry leading 3 lb. pull trigger.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Well, now THAT'S interesting to know!
Not that I would ever use one to hunt with, just not me!
Unless maybe it was a repllica of a Swiss Xbow from yore, that might be cool!
I really ccan't gget away from my flatbow to hunt with, even a recurve ( I have owned dozens!) just doesn't do it for me.
Same a s a bolt gun, it has to call to me!
The only reason I use them is becuase I like a particular riifle, as my mannlicher MS, or my Father's custom .303 Brit.
A Remchester whatever is just not in the cards, but a single shot, break action, falling block, roller, or similar I can reallyy get into and enjoy, and that is the main goal of hunting for me these days, enjoyment.
I get more enjoyment out of hunting with my flatbow than I do with a recurve ,
but the freestyle bow I posted the pic of, was mmade for my father, and illustrates (to my mind anyway) the pure essence of target archery, and I enjoy shooting it as such.
Cat
Not that I would ever use one to hunt with, just not me!
Unless maybe it was a repllica of a Swiss Xbow from yore, that might be cool!
I really ccan't gget away from my flatbow to hunt with, even a recurve ( I have owned dozens!) just doesn't do it for me.
Same a s a bolt gun, it has to call to me!
The only reason I use them is becuase I like a particular riifle, as my mannlicher MS, or my Father's custom .303 Brit.
A Remchester whatever is just not in the cards, but a single shot, break action, falling block, roller, or similar I can reallyy get into and enjoy, and that is the main goal of hunting for me these days, enjoyment.
I get more enjoyment out of hunting with my flatbow than I do with a recurve ,
but the freestyle bow I posted the pic of, was mmade for my father, and illustrates (to my mind anyway) the pure essence of target archery, and I enjoy shooting it as such.
Cat
The Crossbow and Compound bow are so similar its like comparing Nike and Addidas. Same product materials, similar designs, same purposes, and similar bells and whistels. They are almost the same, but yet, some people prefer Nike over Addidas, why? Who knows...?
IMO I think that the people #####ing about the no crossbow season just didnt get a deer in the fall, and they need someone to point the finger at. Most of the time thats always the case, one person who doesnt get what they want ruins everything.
IMO I think that the people #####ing about the no crossbow season just didnt get a deer in the fall, and they need someone to point the finger at. Most of the time thats always the case, one person who doesnt get what they want ruins everything.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Yup, that about says it all!xeon said:
I don't think the deer population in any area will be depleted by the addtion of crossbows, however, we may see a slight increase in the "idjit factor"
But then, we tend to see that every year.
At one time I was dead set against a lot of stuff, crossbows in archery and inlines also, but realized a while back that it is not the tool , but the tool but the person using said tool that can sway attitudes one way or the other.
Not that I am going to run out annd buy one of those things, just to have one!
It took years for me to say i... inl.. oh, never mind!
cat
