XCR-L out of battery discharge

Purplenurple said:
I did not say this is common. We have never seen an XCR damaged to this extent. The manual specifically says that only new, factory ammo in good condition should be used. The XCR is based on a Kalashnikov design where the firing pin is part of the bolt. The same is true of Galils, Valmets, etc. During the design of the XCR, ammo and primer manufacturers were consulted and the XCR firing pin spring was designed to stop any slam fires. We did extensive testing and made sure that no slam fire could occur with ammo with the specs these manufacturers gave us. We cannot be responsible for reloading or out of spec ammo. That being said, if one is going to reload, he should absolutely use NATO spec primers because they are hard and more likely to be to spec. Fast forward to 2014. Ammo manufacturers have really been producing like crazy. We have seen accuracy and quality of ammo in general has gone to pot.

This information was given to me by the company manager.
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If you are an employee from RA it would be sure nice of you to make some useful and supportive comments on this thread. Would go a long way to see you guys be as supportive as Wolverine is as a lot of us guys like the XCR!

A lot of guys here buy these to hunt with, so what does this mean for us if we are only to use mil spec ammo? Kinda ####ty thing to come out with years after selling them up here eh!
 
wbaad said:
If I was RA I would cover the repair and carefully examine the damaged parts to improve the product...
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Unfortunately RA has claimed with every new version (not sure how many so far but more than I can remember) of the XCR that all previous issues had been sorted out.

Fast forward to this thread, and we have a considerably dangerous failure and factory ammunition is blamed by the manufacturer (RA)...........Why should anyone buy this rifle when we can not use the ammunition regularly available to us as civilians? Army surplus is not always around.
 
The OP clearly stated that his own reloads were in use when this failure occurred. How can RA blame factory ammo in this instance?
 
jakester said:
The OP clearly stated that his own reloads were in use when this failure occurred. How can RA blame factory ammo in this instance?
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Yes, I am honest and stated right from the get go that I am a handloader.

Robinson arms blamed the issue on the BRAND of primer I was using, NOT the fact that I used hand loads. They verbally told me on the phone that this exact thing could and has happened using commercial hunting ammo available on store shelves. Wolverine has gone as far as to post warnings not to use Winchester white box ammo in the XCR to prevent this from happening. A Robinson Arms employee went on to tell me that ONLY Nato spec ammo is safe to use in their firearms. He even walked me through a test to prove to me the danger of using anything but "hard primer Nato spec ammo" in their fine guns....The firing pin is spring loaded, but there is NOTHING preventing it's protrusion out of battery. Load a mag, fire a few rounds then extract the round that is currently chambered but unfired. When you extract that round take a look at the primer, you WILL see a firing pin hit in the primer from the firing pin moving forward due to inertia. The pin actually bounces off each newly chambered round as the bolt slams home. I can clearly see the firing pin hit marks on freshly chambered but not fired Russian surplus 7.62x39 ammo I was shooting this past Sunday.
 
Brianma65 said:
Kinda off topic, but should one be concerned , using hand loads , with normal primers in a AR15?
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While I have never owned an AR (I have shot a buddies, Uncle's brother's nephews once, so that makes me qualified to comment on ARs :rolleyes: ), I would think that any hand loads in an autoloader would require proper components. My .308 reloads used in my Savage are not used in my M14.
 
It is very common to see a firing pin mark on an extracted, unfired cartridge. Floating firing pins bounce. Almost always, nothing untoward happens.
SKS and AK rifles have flat tipped primers to reduce the chance of the primer being dented. 7.62 M43 ammunition also has hard primers.
 
I'm just wondering if the safety in any way might prevent the firing pin from protruding beyond the bolt face.
 
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Brianma65 said:
according to the post from RA, you can use any factory ammo, and if reloading ,use mil spec primers. Budget sells CCI mil spec primers.
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Then explain this........


skypilot said:
From Grumpy wolverine back in June 2014.............

The Norinco ammo is fine for break in. Under no circumstances use the Winchester white box in these rifles. It seems to have way to soft a primer and there have been disconcerting amount of out of battery detonations using this ammo.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-1092036.html
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