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XCR Rules: Your AR can't do this
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The XCR is a great hunting rifle. It handles like a lever action and is lighter than most of your standard bolt actions. If your hunting from a stand, weight does not matter, but if you like to walk with a rifle weight is everything, afaic.
The XCR with a non magnified dot scope is fast and a pleasure to hunt with in this part of Canada.
And never leave a range for doing it. $1300 paper puncher....no thanks. I dont mind paying for freedom and killing things with my rifle.
If its looks you're after why not run an airsoft AR?? Cheaper and bush legal?
I Have no question an AR or XCR will out shoot a CZ858 on its worst day. I'm also a sucker for cosmetically appealing rifles and no matter what I do to my 858 its still a 858. I'm not after toys rather rifles and decent accuracy avoiding the 7.62x39 (which is its handicap) sure the 858 now comes in .223 but until its possible to through a good aftermarket barrel on it I'm not interested.
I'm lucky in having a deposit down on a RFB, should be coming my way soon I hope, .308 is extremely appealing to me as well as the non restricted.
I Have no question an AR or XCR will out shoot a CZ858 on its worst day. I'm also a sucker for cosmetically appealing rifles and no matter what I do to my 858 its still a 858. I'm not after toys rather rifles and decent accuracy avoiding the 7.62x39 (which is its handicap) sure the 858 now comes in .223 but until its possible to through a good aftermarket barrel on it I'm not interested.
I'm lucky in having a deposit down on a RFB, should be coming my way soon I hope, .308 is extremely appealing to me as well as the non restricted.
Where do you get your info from?
According to my .223 XCR, 10.5” LMT CQB and CZ 858, that is not the case. The 858 is known to be inherently accurate.
To top things off, in a SHTH situation, my bone stock CZ 858 would undoubtedly be my go-to gun. It is reliable (more so than the other two), accurate, and ammo is bloody cheap. The only drawback is the corrosive primers, which would cause some stress having to clean it after shooting (provided you have some down-time in this SHTF situation).
858 all the way. I love my LMT, but it’s just not as good in the bush as the CZ. I’d be too worried about smashing my ACOG or something like that. Lol. Given that my CZ is stock, there is nothing to really break.
The Robarms XCR is out from the get-go.
And for the record, the (my) AR is the most accurate out of the three.
WOW! my bad, I just assumed the XCR is allot more newly engineered compared to the 858, I guess with its high price tag accuracy isn't all that it should be. I would think the caliber(7.62x39-858) would hinder accuracy, maybe I'm wrong
NO. You said the XCR is better than an AR cause it can do things an AR can't. When several people pointed out that you don't have a clue, you take that as hostility towards your favourite rifle. You didn't want to show the versatility of the XCR, you started out incorrectly bashing the AR.
Then several others jumped in claiming the XCR is cheaper to change calibers and quicker too. Both of which are wrong ... I think.
I'm not sure what a caliber conversion costs for an XCR but to convert an AR from 223 to 300 Whisper requires only an upper, which can be had as cheap as $900 or so. To actually do the conversion requires pushing two pins and swapping out uppers, which can be done in about 20 seconds.
I've done the caliber conversion in an XCR and it def takes longer.
This isn't bashing your beloved XCR, only pointing out that XCR lovers seem totally clueless about what an AR can do and how the AR is superior than the XCR in every way except one .... it is restricted by Canadian law. And that is a legal thing not a mechanical or design issue.
It’s all good!
If you want to get technical and shoot groups, the .223 will win the game. We are not shooting groups in a SHTF situation, but at the max, we are shooting at head-sized targets. The question is, how far out do we plan to shoot.
I’ve shot “head” size targets at 230 yds (limited to my range) with my 10.5” AR & 4x ACOG with absolutely no problems at all. Having said that, I have shot pumpkin sized targets at the same distance and further with my 858 with the same results - using iron sights.
My LMT AR out shoots the XCR in every way.
Alls I’m saying is that the reliability of the CZ 858 is almost unbeatable. I have carried the 858 in the rain, sun, snow and in the bush while hunting. It is amazing.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my AR, but it is not as reliable when it comes down to the nitty gritty.
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As CHEAP as $900... 
The #1 reason people want and AK is because its an AK
So what you're saying is people desire or purchase their firearms based on looks and Hollywood hype rather practical applications or performance.. Gotcha.
Not a hope in f*ckig hell will any SKS meet or beat an XCR or AR in the accuracy dept. I do believe there was a thread of SKS groups on here a while back. Most looked like 00 buck patterning targets and that was at 50 and 100 sandbagged.
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ok then get yourself more luxury with the 858
Its not the ammo that sucks... I shoot gophers every summer with my 858, surplus ammo and a 7MOA Trijicon RMR with zero issues. Making hits at 100 yards takes some concentration and the biggest factor is the size of the dot. A good buddy of mine routinely hammers the fur balls with a Nagant and iron sights at over 100 yards with surplus ammo. Maybe we both got the surplus match ammo???
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YES...I say that not everyone but many, MANY people do buy guys based off seeing them in a video game or movie. .50BMGs, Desert Eagles? People buy them all the time and then sell them in the EE a few weeks later. Why...probably found out it doesn't make them a cool movie star like they thought.
You guessed it, the novelty wears off and the truth about such garbage becomes clear as water.
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ATRS lower, stock trigger, RRA stock 16inch barrel. What is tricked out about that? I built this upper and switch it with my .223 CQB upper. Saved a lot of money by just building the upper. This is my latest group shot at 100 m with H4198.
I have nothing against the XCR but I think people should be able to back up what they say. AR's in this calibre are quite accurate w/o necessarily tricking them out.
On the flip side, you show me proof that the CZ is less reliable.
Just look at the size of the action. The CZ is built for mud and dirt. I’m not saying the AR can’t handle that stuff as well, but I’d put money down that the CZ would come out without a hiccup. The AR would inevitably jam sooner or later. Not to mention the CZ can be ran a lot dirtier than the AR. And the AR requires a LOT of lube to function flawlessly — the CZ on the other hand does not.
Had two Xcr's both were 3 moa at best, bought a tavor haven't looked back . There are better non restricted guns in .223 out there. I'd like to give that 858 in .223 a try. But right now I'm collecting parts for an AR build . After the AR I probably will. I buy guns try them for a while . If I don't like them I don't try to like them I just sell them . The xcr I thought I got a bad one . So I sold it got a new one with the better trigger . It shot worse . No more xcrs for me thanx
