Xcr v. Mr1

8 ball said:
I for one would really like to know where the idea started that the Benelli MR-1's are accurate. I would like to see one of these accurate MR-1's that are supposed to be out there!
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Obviously you've missed any post by caramel, his MR-1 is the most accurate black rifle in circulation...along with every other firearm he owns. :p

The guy handloaded some ammo for his Benelli using premium match bullets and shot some tight groups off the bench and peoples eyes got wide.

When I huddled at the re-loading bench, weighing and sorting brass and individually weighing charges of stick powder {Varget} and then plopping a match bullet {SMK} on top I was able to get close to sub-MOA out of my CSA in 5.56.

Most folks reading this post could cut their groups in half with any particular black rifle by developing a handload it likes then shooting off a bench using good technique.
That's just not how the majority of us care to shoot "service grade" rifles
 
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J996 said:
Ach, rails, pfff:p l would definitely love to try out a new ARX-160 though:D

Epoxy: My trigger breaks like glass, must have lucked out.
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Mine is decent but frankly my Tavor trigger isn't that bad either.

As for the right sided charging handle, while playing cowboys and indians in bandit country you would be walking around with one up the tube anyways and when you change mags you use the bolt catch.

If you had to clear a stoppage (rare with this rifle) cant weapon, reach overtop, rack charging handle with left hand, right hand stays on the pistol grip, game on. Anything more involved, nobody is doing that standing in a field, it is done down on the deck, fix it, carry on. I still use the C7 at work and have shot AR's for years. With a bit of practice running this rifle is no problem at all.
The bolt catch is actually quite nice since as soon as the mag snaps in your thumb just hits it.
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I cant the rifle so the ejection port is slightly down and reach under to the charging handle if just releasing the handle. You might note that this seems vaguely familiar. It's because this is the AK technique. Which was the inspiration for the Swiss Arms rifle. Not a variant but... the same principles and essentially a highly modified and much better version. The mag changes also reflect this lineage. Which means they are slower than an AR or the newer rifles. Although you can still get pretty quick with practice.

The bolt catch was the one thing they really had to include in order to bring this rifle from the 1950s over to the 80s. It works well.

Rails were not around when I learned to shoot so I have no use for them. Same goes for bipods, lights, toaster ovens and anything else that gets bolted to a field rifle these days. We did not need that stuff to make hits, all we needed was a sling and later on an optic at best.
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You're overlooking the most significant benefit of the "rails". They free float thereby keeping pressure off the barrel and avoiding a change of POI. You'll notice with the Swiss arms that shooting off the bipod can induce a difference of inches in your POI if any pressure is put on it. With the FF rail systems these days you can use a bipod with little to no effect on the barrel. The rail space is a nice addiction but ultimately it's best purpose is to take the bearing weight off the barrel. The bipod on the Swiss arms is really just a small step off the bipods that attach to the SKS, AK, CZ etc on either the barrel of the bayonet lug.

You won't go wrong with a Swiss Arms. You're getting tried and true. You're getting a very nice firearm. But.. you can't argue it's not a bit dated.
 
I'd take the Mr1.
When dropped, Plastic guns bounce better than their metal counterparts. :D

I'd also take an Italian girl over a Yank girl any day of the week. :dancingbanana: .........speaking from experience ;)
 
I knew for a fact that Benelli stuff was up there, but after seeing the QC department at Benilli Armi, i am pretty sure nobody will get one with a flaw, those italians guys means business... JP.
 
Aren't Italy also famous for beautiful design like the Ferrari. That MR1 is one fugly gun. The XCR is a cool looking black rifle (unless you get the OD Green, NO TO PINK).
 
This is a group shot today at 200yards with my xcr-l. It was shot with 1972 Norinco 7.62x39 off my pack with free hand support on the stock. This was my last string of the day. Rounds 90-100. The rifle hasn't been cleaned in 700 rounds. The lowest two were shot first and the remaining 8 were shot in one continuous string after a correction was made for the first 2. I don't know the sequence of the last 8 as it is only a 6.5 max optic. The round shown is an example of what was used and is a touch over 2inches long.


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nemesisincanada said:
This is a group shot today at 200yards with my xcr-l. It was shot with 1972 Norinco 7.62x39 off my pack with free hand support on the stock. This was my last string of the day. Rounds 90-100. The rifle hasn't been cleaned in 700 rounds. The lowest two were shot first and the remaining 8 were shot in one continuous string after a correction was made for the first 2. I don't know the sequence of the last 8 as it is only a 6.5 max optic. The round shown is an example of what was used and is a touch over 2inches long.
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Just imagine what your groups would be if you cleaned it and applied some loctite... ;) Just kidding - nice groups. Is the Norc stuff non-corrosive?
 
1440 for $400.
It's good to practice with for both trigger time and to develop mechanical familiarity with the weapon system and saves wear and tear on my 5.56 barrel and bolt.
 
I've noticed that the 7.62x39 xcrs are more accurate than the 223's.
A 7.62x39 is 2.2" long so that'd be what, 2 moa group at 200 yards ?
That's outstanding shooting for an xcr !
 
I have to say. Excellent shooting. Now that said, wouldn't there be a tighter group If you used higher end ammo? That makes me feel good about my XCR. Although I don't wanna start a big discussion on balistics and all that crap, but in my experience, .223 and 6.8spc are usually more accurate. I can imagine the grouping would be even more impressive. But, that grouping is fantastic!
 
DARKSTANG said:
I have to say. Excellent shooting. Now that said, wouldn't there be a tighter group If you used higher end ammo? That makes me feel good about my XCR. Although I don't wanna start a big discussion on balistics and all that crap, but in my experience, .223 and 6.8spc are usually more accurate. I can imagine the grouping would be even more impressive. But, that grouping is fantastic!
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Probably. But I'm having good results with this batch of Milsurp. Custom hand loads might do better and good quality .223 might also do better. However, I'm not looking to print the smallest group I'm looking to improve my trigger feel,handling and breathing. This ammo is good enough.
 
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