Xcr v. Mr1

B I don't know where you get that from = there is absolutely nothing wrong with my FAST stock actually I am so totally impressed with it that it has made my XCR-L my favorite rifle again.

and what is with this complaining about the weight of the barrel I find it balances very well?

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Camp Cook said:
B I don't know where you get that from = there is absolutely nothing wrong with my FAST stock actually I am so totally impressed with it that it has made my XCR-L my favorite rifle again.

and what is with this complaining about the weight of the barrel I find it balances very well?
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I saw a few posts about initial problems with the Fast stock (maybe there were a few bad batches). You replaced the UBR? Sacrilege! I complain about the weight of every firearm; it's probably why I like PDW ARs and bullpups so much...
 
Nearly all rifles have shortcomings, however some of the vitriol spewed at the XCR-L is OTT. The rifle is a solid piece of kit for the price. It's shortcomings aren't as great as some would have you believe. As I've said in other threads my only experience with bullbups is the L85A1. I have no doubt the fs2000 and Tavor are great pieces of kit. They are certainly helped by Canada's barrel laws were the XCR-L is hindered.
 
I didn't have a UBR had a Dlask adapter/CTR stock and no they are not for sale I'm in contact with Tyson @ Wolverine working on making a deal on an XCR-L lower receiver so I can have 2 complete -L's...

I'd put the CTR onto the 223 if this comes together... :)

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Epoxy7 said:
Yes it can be fired dynamically from either hand. If that's your thing. The same way the Brits do with their bullpup rifles.

As for a tactical rifle. Neither the MR1 or the XCR are tactical/battle rifles. Both are consumer grade products. Although the XCR has been marketed as differently, I wouldn't consider it in the same league as the Tavor or the FS2000 for combat/tactical. Both have been adopted by military services. Especially the Tavor. The XCR although closer than the MR1 to a battle rifle is still a consumer grade product.

Also on the Tavor and I believe the FS2000 (if the safety works the same way as my PS90) you can activate the safety without having to charge the bolt first. The XCR and AR you must charge back the bolt before you can engage the safety.

Given the choice between the XCR and the MR1, I'd go with the XCR. Personally I'd save up and buy something else. If you really need a decent not too expensive accurate non restricted semi auto 223/556 then grab a target Mini 14 to tie you over until you can get the black rifle you really want.
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You can not fire the SA-80 properly from the left hand. I never said it was mil spec just a tactical rifle design.
 
Somone made a good point I noticed about the transition to support side of the Tavor. If you do any kind of combat roll, the transition to support side is important for barrier work and dominant arm incapacitation. The last thing I would want is to have an ear full of brass. Lol! Honestly though. All these rifles have amazing points. For what I do, the AR platform wins out for what I feel comfortable to use as a primary weapon system for work, but the thing is, I want to own them all. Definately very greedy, I know. Nothing is better than the bragging rights at the range to whip out something that the average person has never seen before. I'm trying to collect all of these and those damn stores keep coming up with new stuff that makes my bank account suffer. So my best advice is get what you can afford for now and make an upgrade to the next until you get them all. That may be impossible with the Wolverines, Cannadaammos, Questars, etc out there who keep bringing us all these awsome toys that we want.
 
blaxsun said:
I saw a few posts about initial problems with the Fast stock (maybe there were a few bad batches). You replaced the UBR? Sacrilege! I complain about the weight of every firearm; it's probably why I like PDW ARs and bullpups so much...
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f55 had a problem with one on his XCR-M. It turns out it was either assembled or re-assembled wrong.
 
nemesisincanada said:
Nearly all rifles have shortcomings, however some of the vitriol spewed at the XCR-L is OTT. The rifle is a solid piece of kit for the price. It's shortcomings aren't as great as some would have you believe. As I've said in other threads my only experience with bullbups is the L85A1. I have no doubt the fs2000 and Tavor are great pieces of kit. They are certainly helped by Canada's barrel laws were the XCR-L is hindered.
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We should really get an XCR, ACR, SL8, Tavor and FS2000 all out to the range some afternoon. Would be interesting to see!

Camp Cook said:
I didn't have a UBR had a Dlask adapter/CTR stock and no they are not for sale I'm in contact with Tyson @ Wolverine working on making a deal on an XCR-L lower receiver so I can have 2 complete -L's...

I'd put the CTR onto the 223 if this comes together... :)
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Aha. I saw one XCR done up with an ACR folding/collapsible stock and custom adapter. That looked pretty sweet...
 
nemesisincanada said:
You can not fire the SA-80 properly from the left hand. I never said it was mil spec just a tactical rifle design.
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I've never shot a SA-80 but I can tell you that the Tavor can be fired from the weak side shoulder if you wish. You tilt the rifle slightly so it ejects downwards. The charging handle is on the left, is very far forward and it's non reciprocating. So no issue with that. Also the LOP with the location of the ejector port/deflector means it won't hit your cheek or teeth. It's far enough in front that unless you were to really crane your neck up to the optic then you should have no issues. With a M21 or Eotech it's not a big deal to shoot it this way. In reality shooting this way is awkward. Your accuracy off hand weak side might not be what you're expecting even in a rifle that shoots weak side "properly". Either way the Tavor can shoot this way.
 
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SA80 has reciprocating charge handle on the right and cases are ejected backward to boot.
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Ya but the Tavor doesn't. ;). Also you can change the charging handle to either side. Even then it's still very far forward and wouldn't be an issue. Plus it's not reciprocating. That was my actual point. Oh and we can get the Tavor in Canada.
 
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blaxsun said:
The Swiss Arms - I think it's really getting dated technology-wise..
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Umm...compared to what? Bullpups? It was only just designed in the 80's. Its very accurate, can survive the roughest sh!tkicking, absolutely positively always goes bang and has a great trigger.
And when you run out of ammo you can club the enemy to death with only one swing.

I mean what more do you want, built in night sights or something? Good grief.
 
J996 said:
Umm...compared to what? Bullpups? It was only just designed in the 80's. Its very accurate, can survive the roughest sh!tkicking, absolutely positively always goes bang and has a great trigger.
And when you run out of ammo you can club the enemy to death with only one swing.

I mean what more do you want, built in night sights or something? Good grief.
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Well in all honesty it's a 1950s rifle design that was retrofitted with some cool features in the 80s. It's quality (The internals look like a swiss watch). But the charging handle stuck on the right side and the mag release are all issues left over from the 1950s rifle that this was based on. The trigger is decent but I wouldn't call it great. I even bought a kit for mine to make it better. But then again I'm using mine as a DM style rifle. I would also say it's a bit dated but still a worthwhile rifle to own. If nothing else for the quality.
 
blaxsun said:
Any of the latest generation ARs, ACR, SCAR, ARX-160...
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Ach, rails, pfff:p l would definitely love to try out a new ARX-160 though:D

Epoxy: My trigger breaks like glass, must have lucked out.

But all satire aside, as rifles go the newer ones Blaxsun mentions above only just showed up last week so to speak.
I'm not aware of anyone fielding the ACR and beating up on it daily. Are there any reports of how it and the others perform after 10,000 rounds? 30,000 rounds? SIG has test rifles that have fired 100,000 rounds and are still working.

Just because its new does not mean its the best.

The HK, FAL and even the AR have stood the test of time and been put through hell, we know they will hold up. I've personally seen a G3 get abused so hard it was unreal, it kept on firing without a hitch. From what I've seen I believe the 55X to be equally tough.

Yes its heavy but it keeps running and most here seem to forget about the 551 when comparing it to other rifles with shorter barrels. Much more handy than the 20" model.

As for the right sided charging handle, while playing cowboys and indians in bandit country you would be walking around with one up the tube anyways and when you change mags you use the bolt catch.

If you had to clear a stoppage (rare with this rifle) cant weapon, reach overtop, rack charging handle with left hand, right hand stays on the pistol grip, game on. Anything more involved, nobody is doing that standing in a field, it is done down on the deck, fix it, carry on. I still use the C7 at work and have shot AR's for years. With a bit of practice running this rifle is no problem at all.
The bolt catch is actually quite nice since as soon as the mag snaps in your thumb just hits it.

Rails were not around when I learned to shoot so I have no use for them. Same goes for bipods, lights, toaster ovens and anything else that gets bolted to a field rifle these days. We did not need that stuff to make hits, all we needed was a sling and later on an optic at best.

I will admit the full size Swiss gets heavy and would become a problem for a small 165-170ish lbs fellow to hump around all day.

My hijack is now over so OP, shoot both those rifles and buy the one that calls to you.

I buy what I like and don't care how much things cost, I just save up for them. I bought my SA here used for $2600..
 
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I second waiting for a deal on the EE I waited for over a year. Well some of that time was waiting for the ACR. However, I was always looking for a good deal on the EE. It was a race and the ACR lost. I scored a brand new XCR-L with latest production changes including the FAST stock. The 7.62 and 5.56 kit and two LAR mags for each kit as well as the standard 5 round mags for each for $2300. That put the rifle in the $1400 range. At that price it is hard to beat.
 
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