Guys what's better and why? Is the ACR worth the extra 500 hundred compare to the XCR-L? To me they look the same and the XCR is non restricted out of the box... The new Key Mod Alex Robinson on YouTube for 2014 shot show pretty much sold it to me but still want your opinion?
Xcr vs ACR
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No point on asking other peoples opinions. In the end it comes down to what YOU want. I was never a fan of the xcr. But They're starting to catch my attention. The acr is really front heavy, (like the old xcr) and cost quite a bit for the conversion to nr.
They are no more muzzle heavy than other gas operated 16 inch black rifles. If you compare it to a DI AR then yes it feels heavy but compare apples to apples and it isn't that much different.
Aftermarket conversion options are starting to show up and that is bringing the price down. I just built a 300BLK non restricted barrel for under $500 using a Shilen 1:8 stainless blank, price includes machining.
If you buy a used ACR (can be found for $2000-$2200) then add the cost of the Dlask non restricted barrel you're looking at $2550-$2750 for a non restricted ACR with a new barrel.
Not cheap I guess but in my opinion a far superior rifle to the XCR.
andrew3081
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The only thing the Acr is better over the Xcr is accuracy.
Other than that... Xcr is better.
Try shooting both and see which one do you like.
And as for the OP, what will you be using the rifle for?
Other than that... Xcr is better.
Try shooting both and see which one do you like.
And as for the OP, what will you be using the rifle for?
Stormchaser
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andrew3081
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So what's the reliability issues with the newer Xcr?
You also have to take into account how many Xcr are out there in canada compare to Acr.
And please explain how is the Acr less maintenance?
Stormchaser
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Here's a thread on it, seems like same old same old, minus it comes pre-loctite
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1058907-Xcr-break-in-issues
Take away the classification difference, and there's no comparison. The xcr is a hobby grade plinker. The acr is an accurate and reliable rifle. A mid to high grade ar is still better than both.
No point to buying an acr unless you're planning to rebarrel to nonrestricted.
No point to buying an acr unless you're planning to rebarrel to nonrestricted.
Not in my experience.
How many threads have been started on this site with guys having broken ejectors, broken op rods, broken buffers just after break in, and a pile of other issues?
I will say that Wolverine has been doing a fantastic job of taking care of everyone's broken rifles but they shouldn't have to be doing this much if the rifle was just built right from the beginning. The people in Rob Arms QC department should all be let go for letting some of the rifles through that have failed after very few rounds.
I own an ACR and have shot 4 or 5 XCR-L's and an XCR-M ranging from when they were first released to the latest model before the keymod one. None of them compare to the quality of the ACR and the accuracy of the XCR can't even come close.
The XCR is a good rifle but the QC is poor and the design of the barrel retention is stupid and is why the rifles don't group well. The ACR is a great rifle with excellent build quality and good QC.
The coatings on the ACR are superior as well, the Nitriding is self lubricating and they claim the rifle needs little to no lube to run for thousands of rounds.
The only thing the OP needs to look at to make his decision is his budget. If you can afford the ACR and can afford to have it converted to non restricted then it is the clear choice.
If you buy a used ACR for $2200-$2500 then add the cost of a non restricted barrel from Dlask ($550) you are looking at $2750-$2950 depending how good of a deal you got on your used rifle. I picked up mine for $2200 with a Geissele super ACR trigger then found a used Herron Arms conversion barrel. After selling the 12 inch barrel mine came with I was into it for about $2500 before I picked up the 6.8SPC barrel and 300 Blackout barrel.
The only advantage I see the XCR having is the factory support for caliber conversions. Both of mine are custom built barrels but I paid less than the $700 the XCR conversions cost.
(1) The XCR is very easy to maintain and doesn't require any maintenance beyond regular cleaning.
(2) The XCR is very reliable. Once I broke mine in it hasn't had a single issue.
(3) My XCR is very accurate, I shoot sub 2" groups at 100 yards using an EOTech.
It's good to hear some reports from the guys that haven't had parts breaking before hitting 500 rounds.
Those groups are better than most others I've read. Very well done especially considering the optic you're using. What ammo is that with? Off sandbags?
I think that any product if you look hard enough you'll find some negative. I have added the newest version of the XCR-L to my safe couldn't have asked for a better rifle, fit and finish is awesome and cycles flawlessly. Currently have the aimpoint company ml3 and 3x magnifier on swing mount and it'll do 1" groups at 100 yards all day. If your trying to get tight groups at more than afew hundred yards your using the wrong type of gun anyway. Buy it and love it.
Does my black rifle hit a chest sized target 200-300 yards away? Yes? Sign on the dotted line.
Worrying about 1MOA groups from a sandbag? LOL, who gives a damn? If your rifle shoots 1 MOA and mine 4 MOA, when we stand up and shoot on the move or from 'less than ideal' positions and conditions, the gap becomes totally irrelevant.
Worrying about 1MOA groups from a sandbag? LOL, who gives a damn? If your rifle shoots 1 MOA and mine 4 MOA, when we stand up and shoot on the move or from 'less than ideal' positions and conditions, the gap becomes totally irrelevant.
Not sure how to answer this lol...sarcasm I sense....but yes it shoots pretty tight I was just saying that to compliment what cr5 said except that alittle magnification will help groupings a bit not saying my shots were better, with that being said the guns only as good as it's owner and I'm no expert but as knock-knock said:
"Does my black rifle hit a chest sized target 200-300 yards away? Yes? Sign on the dotted line.
Worrying about 1MOA groups from a sandbag? LOL, who gives a damn? If your rifle shoots 1 MOA and mine 4 MOA, when we stand up and shoot on the move or from 'less than ideal' positions and conditions, the gap becomes totally irrelevant."
I do agree anyone can shoot from a sandbag, and that moving or continually changing conditions is going to close the gap between shooters and their rifle. I am a firm believer that changing up shooting habits only helps the shooter increase accuracy over the long haul. The only argument going on here is the classic mine is better than yours scenerio. I believe that like many things there are things to be loved and hated about both. Both are good so maybe pick the one that catches your eye more and don't look back. Hopefully this answers your curious/ possibly sarcastic question ntm....lol
