And the guys from Tactical Response will tell you to bring a magnet so you can find all the parts that fall off your XCR.
XCR vs AR15
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And the guys from Tactical Response will tell you to bring a magnet so you can find all the parts that fall off your XCR.
That because of operator error they didn't properly secure their ejector bolts. Its not the guns problem they just weren't dillegent in making sure all their parts were secure like you would with any new rifle. There were a batch of rifles that in the factory they forgot to locitite the ejector bolts and people were warned about it and still they didn't bother to put some loctite on the bolts. Once those bolts have loctite on them and are secure you will never have a problem with them ever.
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Actually the bolts fall down into the trigger parts and yes it can lock the selector lever in place too and jam the bolt up.
Ok well then you would have to talk to Robarm about that one. But I have heard of people having the ejector bolts fall down into the trigger parts and jam the trigger or bolt and or lock the selector lever in place. Never heard of the problem you have had before. Like I said you should talk to Terra at Robarm she might know of the problem or might know why it happened. People need to call upon customer service when you have problems. Terra at Robarm is the best I have dealt with and I would recommend her to anyone who has problems.
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The selector lever is held on by a small screw, which is loctited on as well. VERY rarely, they can work lose. It's just another part of general maintenance.
There is a reason we made some things detachable. The ejector is loctited/screwed on for a very good one, in fact. If something were to happen to your ejector - if a corner was sheared off or if it somehow snapped off, (which is a much more likely circumstance if it were machined part of the receiver) you would have to buy a whole new receiver for several hundred dollars, versus a few bucks because it was screwed on.
Any time you make a vital part an integral and non-removable part of the body of the rifle, you are asking for trouble. There are reasons for the XCR being built the way it is. The fact than an employee got careless is unfortunate, but anyone who owns a business or works in the industry knows that one employee can make or break an awesome product.
There is a reason we made some things detachable. The ejector is loctited/screwed on for a very good one, in fact. If something were to happen to your ejector - if a corner was sheared off or if it somehow snapped off, (which is a much more likely circumstance if it were machined part of the receiver) you would have to buy a whole new receiver for several hundred dollars, versus a few bucks because it was screwed on.
Any time you make a vital part an integral and non-removable part of the body of the rifle, you are asking for trouble. There are reasons for the XCR being built the way it is. The fact than an employee got careless is unfortunate, but anyone who owns a business or works in the industry knows that one employee can make or break an awesome product.
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I have owned and used many “Black” rifles over the past couple of decades and I would have to rate the XCR near the top of the heap (I still rate the FN C1A1 #1). I bought one after a lengthy discussion with John Hipwell @ Wolverine regarding the ultimate rifle for 3-Gun and Multi Gun sports. I originally thought it was going to be a compromise rifle between the long-range potential of the M-14 and the 10 RD capability of the AR platform. To say I was surprised after getting one and running 500rds through it at a practice session would be and understatement!
This rifle is absolutely the finest firearm (Next to the FN) I have ever owned! It is piston driven, a big plus! It is unfailingly reliable, a big, big, plus! It is sub MOA out to 200m (as far as I have been able to test it yet), a big, big, big, plus! It is easily swapped from big game hunting calibers to 5.56 for matches. The surface of the firearm is covered with picatiney rails. It has an adjustable gas system! It shoots incredibly flat; splits on 50m targets with this weapon between .5 and .6 of a second! This is the ultimate “do it all” rifle. And it is not restricted!
If you are concerned about 2 screws, buy blue lock-tite for $5.00 and quite worrying!
This rifle is absolutely the finest firearm (Next to the FN) I have ever owned! It is piston driven, a big plus! It is unfailingly reliable, a big, big, plus! It is sub MOA out to 200m (as far as I have been able to test it yet), a big, big, big, plus! It is easily swapped from big game hunting calibers to 5.56 for matches. The surface of the firearm is covered with picatiney rails. It has an adjustable gas system! It shoots incredibly flat; splits on 50m targets with this weapon between .5 and .6 of a second! This is the ultimate “do it all” rifle. And it is not restricted!
If you are concerned about 2 screws, buy blue lock-tite for $5.00 and quite worrying!
OK...why don't we stop the never ending pissing match.
There are those, me included, who feel that the XCR is lacking in field use,development time...whatever you want to call it.
The AR platform suffered the same 'indignity' at the start of it's development cycle.
The AR is a mature, defined platform...few surprises, 'weak' points well defined........
The XCR....not so much....
Despite the bluster, and bombast, most would bet their life on an AR vs the XCR.....just a case of 'you have to earn your chops'.
Personal vignettes from single users doesn't really add much to the mix.
For a range or hunting gun, the XCR has a lot of positives...
Would I bet my life on it in a firefight....no way...
But let's keep this reasonable, and in the real world.
There are those, me included, who feel that the XCR is lacking in field use,development time...whatever you want to call it.
The AR platform suffered the same 'indignity' at the start of it's development cycle.
The AR is a mature, defined platform...few surprises, 'weak' points well defined........
The XCR....not so much....
Despite the bluster, and bombast, most would bet their life on an AR vs the XCR.....just a case of 'you have to earn your chops'.
Personal vignettes from single users doesn't really add much to the mix.
For a range or hunting gun, the XCR has a lot of positives...
Would I bet my life on it in a firefight....no way...
But let's keep this reasonable, and in the real world.
Throttle_monkey1
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Well in all fairness, my "well-refined" AR15 (Armalite M15A4) would barely run right outta the box. needed lots of lube, would barely stutter through a full 5 rd mag without jamming. It was that tight. Now it runs great. So does my XCR. The AR just gets so ####ing dirty. A piston upper would be sweet.
I would trust my life to my AR, XCR, m14, cz858. And each one of could #### the bed the moment i need it most.
I would trust my life to my AR, XCR, m14, cz858. And each one of could #### the bed the moment i need it most.
I would have to agree with this man.
If it ain't dirty you ain't shootin' enough... Who wants a clean gun anywayz..?
Clean guns are for sissy's
B'sides... I doubt anyone here fires enough ammo in 10 trips to the range that the dirty-ness of their AR becomes so great as to have any effect on reliability or function.
I'd argue that the AR is actually "self cleaning" ... parts of it anyway
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There will be a better trigger very soon. But your right the trigger right now leaves alot to be desired.
Not to bash the XCR, but given what you "get" including the crappy trigger and having to loctite parts to keep them from falling off, etc...shouldn't this rifle be priced accordingly, i.e., sub-$1000.00 rather than double that price point?
I know the Swiss Arms rifles are uber expensive but I do know that they're going to go bang everytime I pull the trigger, parts aren't going to fall off and it'll still work if I don't clean it after ever hunting or range trip.
My Colt, LMT and STAG ARs are almost as reliable and I've never had anything fall off them or have to loctite anything on them. I think if Robarms wants to compete with other black rifle manufacturers, they need to do some redesign work to eliminate the necessity of using loctite to keep critical parts from being lost or causing catastrophic stoppages, etc...and they need to improve fit/finish or drop their price to accommodate the lower level of finishing.
I know the Swiss Arms rifles are uber expensive but I do know that they're going to go bang everytime I pull the trigger, parts aren't going to fall off and it'll still work if I don't clean it after ever hunting or range trip.
My Colt, LMT and STAG ARs are almost as reliable and I've never had anything fall off them or have to loctite anything on them. I think if Robarms wants to compete with other black rifle manufacturers, they need to do some redesign work to eliminate the necessity of using loctite to keep critical parts from being lost or causing catastrophic stoppages, etc...and they need to improve fit/finish or drop their price to accommodate the lower level of finishing.
RevolverRodger
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I've long said the XCR is not a $2500 rifle.
