XCR vs MR1 build quality comparison ...

caramel said:
I am about to drop 4K on a Swiss Arms Special Black target, after reading on it, they guaranted one inch with 62 gr @100 metres and 4 inchs @ 300 metres, hopefully i will be able to have i shoot a lot better, this kind of accuracy is obtainable very easy with the Mr-1 @ more than half the price, i am expecting the Swiss to blow away the MR-1, if not it will be deceptive... JP.
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JP - you don't need to drop $4k on a Swiss. Unless of course you want / have to buy it new.

$2,500-700 in the EE will get you a very good, used Swiss PE90. I'm sure you have a spare magnified scope kicking around too for it.

Or there's also one going for $3,200 in the EE.

But the used market price for one is another debate, for another day (Blaxsun can confirm which day it'll be up for discussion this week)
 
geologist said:
I have to admit that I am surprised by the number of Nutz who consider appearance of a firearm an important factor in their decision to buy process. I'm more of a function over form guy.
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My biggest gripe with the MR1 is the dysfunctional controls, followed by the stock and then the fixed BUIS. From an appearance standpoint, it's no bad.

DaveMachine said:
I'm kind of surprised that there are so many folks who go out of their way to find threads about rifles they don't own and s**t all over the owners with their snide remarks. Grow the f**k up.
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The OP was a discussion about build quality. Having handled both, I can say the quality of the XCR is higher (waiting for lightning to strike). I simply stated that I found a lot of the design and ergonomics to be clumsy. Maybe I'm just used to other black rifles, but I have owned numerous ARs, several Swiss Arms, FS2000, Tavor, PS90, etc. - so it's not like I'm making this up on a whim.

If you love your MR1 or XCR-L, and it fits the bill for you - fantastic. This is just my opinion (and it's not required that you necessarily share it).
 
I have an adjustable stock MR-1 and I must admit that I don't like the action release or the mag release.

I do like the iron sights and the way it shoots.

The rifles appearance was never a big concern for me.
 
geologist said:
I have an adjustable stock MR-1 and I must admit that I don't like the action release or the mag release.

I do like the iron sights and the way it shoots.
The rifles appearance was never a big concern for me.
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And just to be clear, I didn't find it unappealing from an aesthetics standpoint. For me the deal killer was control placement; not being able to eject the magazine with my finger while still keeping my hand on the grip or having to do it with my left hand just felt... awkward.
 
caramel said:
I am about to drop 4K on a Swiss Arms Special Black target, after reading on it, they guaranted one inch with 62 gr @100 metres and 4 inchs @ 300 metres, hopefully i will be able to have i shoot a lot better, this kind of accuracy is obtainable very easy with the Mr-1 @ more than half the price, i am expecting the Swiss to blow away the MR-1, if not it will be deceptive... JP.
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If you get the Swiss, yes it will do 1" or better but I doubt you will get less than 1/2" groups even with your handloads. The Swiss really shines at longer range (300m plus) and supreme reliability in all conditions.
Also if you bench it remember to support it at the very rear of the handguard just in front of the mag where the barrel is thickest.
The SA's price is due to the fine craftsmanship and materials used and it will still go bang 50 years from now. More expensive does not necessarily mean better accuracy when it comes to service rifles, it is far more important for it to be reliable and survive daily sh!t kicking.
 
You can clean the copper marks off. This is a common issue for many aut loaders. I will agree that the barrell does get hot quick. Definitely not a sustained fire sort of rifle. My guess is they did this for balance, as the rifle does balance beautifully.

I know it keep coming up that the XCR has better build quality because the MR1 is plastic. I agree, but focussing more on the inside componenets, I think they are pretty similar. I haven't handled the XCR in a while now, but I will vouche for the MR1.
This discussion will likely go on for ever. Both a good. Price is the issue. What can you afford, what feels best in your hands. If you don't plan on modding, the benelli is greatout of the box, but needs some tinkering to get it modifiable. XCR has a higher upfront cost, but you will have to spend less long term if you are modding. For an example of the troubles us MR1 guys have gone through you can check out this thread http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=693933
 
Just got my XCR in the mail. It is better than I thought it would be ... although I haven't shot it yet. Bod quality I would say is slightly lower than that of the MR1, there are a few things on the XCR that rattle, like the bolt release, there is a little play between the upper and lower receiver and the charging handle doesn't feel all that solid. Other than that I pumped to have an XCR and I want to see what it can do at the range. It is also nice that it is all metal and the parts seem to be machined very nicely. Another thing that I'm not too fond of on the XCR is that the lower seems to be made of two halves that have been welded together. The MR1 is tight as a drum and there is no play anywhere that I can find. As well, the MR1s trigger is much crisper, it's a hunting trigger. The MR1s trigger is heavier than that of the XCR but I think it would depend what you like. The XCR is smoother and more gradual, I like it. The major plus of the XCR is the ergonomics, that is the reason why I bought one and I was not let down, everything can be accessed quickly and with ease. Personally I think that the MR1 is much better bang for your buck but the XCR is still a nice rifle.

I haven't taken it to the range yet, hopefully that will be soon.
 
The bolt release on the recent (with fast stock) XCR-L I handled didn't rattle at all. Maybe it can be tightened? I also thought the charging handle was weak. Maybe it's not, but it feels like cheap plastic.
 
I have an XCR-L and absolutely love it and the way it feels. I was a little nervous about the build quality and "loctite" issues I had read on here but bought one thru Wolverine anyways and haven't had one thing come loose or fall off in over a year. (Although I do go thru it after my range days).
I had looked at the Benelli before the XCR and it felt ok but not intuitive to me, but definitely a very well made piece in my humble opinion.
Mine was one of the last batches with the fixed stock and I ordered a FAST stock from Guy at Wolverine when I placed my order, but it took a couple months to come and, after shooting the fixed original, then going to the FAST, I absolutely love the new stock over the first generation one, so if you decide to buy one off the EE, look for one that has that on it.
 
When I purchased my MR1 I considered a few other 223 semi-autos such as the XCR and HK-SL8 but I decided on the rifle that accepted LAR15 magazines without conversion, was reliable, was less expensive and had very few (if any) reported issues I could find during my research.

The problem is that, after 1000+ rounds without a FTF or FTE of any kind, my MR1 is broken and unable to fire. The recoil spring tube is toast and no longer recoils or springs meaning the BCG can not be cocked or fired. It's a total failure of the rifle which is disappointing since I've only had it since July. I will be packing it up and shipping it back to Stoeger Canada in Whitby, ONT for warranty work tonight. I did a quick search on the internet and haven't been able to find any reports of similar issues so it doesn't appear to be common but, obviously, it has happened to me.
 
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