I respectfully disagree.
XCR vs Sig classic green
- Thread starter c1979
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Hush now.
Its obsolete I tell you. I have a had time even finding ammunition for mine with its archaic 5.6mm Gpat 90 chambering. Some days I feel like I'm chasing a hundred year old dream.
Odd question. What is the difference between Gpat 90 and Gpat 05 other than year of design? Sintox priming?
The only thing in my mind reading through this thread is what kind of home invasion that one would be expecting that would require you to have 1000+ rounds/weekend reliability? Russian zombie mud monsters spitting cold hard water and coughing dust?
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I find having a stone-cold reliable rifle instrinsically rewarding. I ####ing hate guns that choke, or need a break in period, etc. That is why I sold my Stag 15-2L and my STI Tactical .40SW. I have never, ever had a malfunction with a SAN rifle, even after 1000s of rounds. The only other gun I have owned, that did not choke once after 1000s of rounds is the HK P7M13. I have had malfunctions with other HK pistols (minor ones) and also with my Sig X5.
Of course you can burn through 1000 by shooting, but I'm highlighting some obtuse expectations here in this "my #### is better than your ####" thread. Some folks ARE weekend plinkers that do shoot 200 rounds a weekend while others have the funds to go through crates and sign up for training courses. Which ever you do and however you do it, you still end up with the rifle that suits your needs and make it work.
Therein lies the problem with an X vs. Y thread. Facts quickly go out the window and it degrades to people who like their gun better than your gun.
I agree that some folks are just weekend shooters and that a weekend rifle is sufficient for their needs.
The problem is that some weekenders refuse to accept that they are weekenders and that a rifle sufficient for their needs is not necessarily a rifle sufficient for everyone else's needs.
Some people are happy with a weekend-grade rifle and some aren't. Those that are should not recommend their rifle to those that are not, and they should not kid themselves about the quality of the rifle they bought just because they spent a lot of money on it.
I believe that with some issues addressed the XCR has a good chance of becoming a great rifle. For the time being I do not trust it for anything more than a weekend shooter.
If that is what you want, great. But don't be one of those people who buys a weekend gun, shoots in a little here and there, and then tells everyone else, "this gun is as good as a 6920" just because the motor didn't fall out while you idled it around a parking lot.
although I was rushed tonight, I managed to fire off 20rds from the bench at 100y. I had to sight it in as I put my old bushnell 3X9 on,..5rds PMC, then 5-5 and 5 of Federal gameshok BTHP 55gr. Last string I had my gloves on and the two shots went high. 3 were in the block 1inch square. This is with the new trigger, and s**tty cold weather. Wind was coming from behind me so not much to account for my lack of accuracy. I think the XCR is capable of much better with a better shooter and handloads.
I agree. My point is that every point made that is for and against each rifle after the first few posts can be objected to. So I summed it all up into what works for you should be what you take. Like armedsask said, facts go out the window.
Well, i just traded off my classic green for a XCR. And all i can say is what a good change. Heres why for me:
#1 jams - my classic green would jam more time in 50 shots than my unbroken in XCR with 250 shots first time out. even when i changed the sigs gas setting and this is with the exact same box of ammo.
#2 full length top rail. this may seem small but its a big deal to me. i hated having my scope so close to the rear diopter sight on the green and with the XCR i can have the best cheekweld ever and still have folding sights on it.
#3 the big given, 10 rounds of LAR-pistol magazine goodness. no need to describe this it just gives you that warm fuzzy feeling
#4 love the caliber conversion possibilities. i have .223 and 6.8 SPC and thats awesome. i can do whatever i want with this rifle. hunt, target shoot anything!
#5 NON-RESTRICTED. this only applies to the CQB version of the swiss and ar's. This has all the goodness of an AR if you ask me (maybe a bit less for accesories but most work) and i can go hunt with this if i want to. It doesnt become an extremely expensive range toy.
So in my opinion, im not bashing the classic green and im not boasting the XCR but for me the XCR won hands down. And thats just me! whatever you like and works for you great! i do not want a pissing match about which gun is better because its all what YOU need and want, but the point i am saying is that the issues the XCR once had have gone and it is a great rifle and works awesome.
Will post a range review in the future.
Thanks
evan
#1 jams - my classic green would jam more time in 50 shots than my unbroken in XCR with 250 shots first time out. even when i changed the sigs gas setting and this is with the exact same box of ammo.
#2 full length top rail. this may seem small but its a big deal to me. i hated having my scope so close to the rear diopter sight on the green and with the XCR i can have the best cheekweld ever and still have folding sights on it.
#3 the big given, 10 rounds of LAR-pistol magazine goodness. no need to describe this it just gives you that warm fuzzy feeling
#4 love the caliber conversion possibilities. i have .223 and 6.8 SPC and thats awesome. i can do whatever i want with this rifle. hunt, target shoot anything!
#5 NON-RESTRICTED. this only applies to the CQB version of the swiss and ar's. This has all the goodness of an AR if you ask me (maybe a bit less for accesories but most work) and i can go hunt with this if i want to. It doesnt become an extremely expensive range toy.
So in my opinion, im not bashing the classic green and im not boasting the XCR but for me the XCR won hands down. And thats just me! whatever you like and works for you great! i do not want a pissing match about which gun is better because its all what YOU need and want, but the point i am saying is that the issues the XCR once had have gone and it is a great rifle and works awesome.
Will post a range review in the future.
Thanks
evan
Let me guess, Winchester White Box?
Let me guess, Winchester White Box?
I've shot tons of that stuff too, with no probs at all, in any of my SAN rifles. This is the first I've ever heard of a SAN rifle hanging up on any kind of ammo.
evan 880,
What kind of ammo were you using? What you are describing is very, very, very, rare with Swiss Arms guns. It may be possible that you are one in 20 or 30 thousand that have had a problem and the gun should be looked at.
Red Leg can probably shed some light on this. I have heard that the Shooting Edge has only ever had one Swiss Arms gun returned for failing to function. They shot the gun with everything they had and found if functioned fine. (Suspicions are that the owner couldn't afford it and needed money. His claim to having a gun that wouldn't function didn't pan out).
Forgive me but I'm highly suspicious of your claim.
Rich
What kind of ammo were you using? What you are describing is very, very, very, rare with Swiss Arms guns. It may be possible that you are one in 20 or 30 thousand that have had a problem and the gun should be looked at.
Red Leg can probably shed some light on this. I have heard that the Shooting Edge has only ever had one Swiss Arms gun returned for failing to function. They shot the gun with everything they had and found if functioned fine. (Suspicions are that the owner couldn't afford it and needed money. His claim to having a gun that wouldn't function didn't pan out).
Forgive me but I'm highly suspicious of your claim.
Rich
Well, i just traded off my classic green for a XCR. And all i can say is what a good change. Heres why for me:
#1 jams - my classic green would jam more time in 50 shots than my unbroken in XCR with 250 shots first time out. even when i changed the sigs gas setting and this is with the exact same box of ammo.
#2 full length top rail. this may seem small but its a big deal to me. i hated having my scope so close to the rear diopter sight on the green and with the XCR i can have the best cheekweld ever and still have folding sights on it.
#3 the big given, 10 rounds of LAR-pistol magazine goodness. no need to describe this it just gives you that warm fuzzy feeling
#4 love the caliber conversion possibilities. i have .223 and 6.8 SPC and thats awesome. i can do whatever i want with this rifle. hunt, target shoot anything!
#5 NON-RESTRICTED. this only applies to the CQB version of the swiss and ar's. This has all the goodness of an AR if you ask me (maybe a bit less for accesories but most work) and i can go hunt with this if i want to. It doesnt become an extremely expensive range toy.
So in my opinion, im not bashing the classic green and im not boasting the XCR but for me the XCR won hands down. And thats just me! whatever you like and works for you great! i do not want a pissing match about which gun is better because its all what YOU need and want, but the point i am saying is that the issues the XCR once had have gone and it is a great rifle and works awesome.
Will post a range review in the future.
Thanks
evan
sounds like a load of bs.
