Xcr vs swiss arms..need help

[beltfed]

The reliability is horsesh!t. My XCR is as reliable as any AR or swiss arms. 1000 + rounds. No FTF, no FTE, no Jams.

Is this for real? You've put a 1000+ rounds down range? - Some people put this down range in a session. Come back when you've put 20000 down range and tell us where that piece of crap stacks up. Come to think of it put a combined 20,000 rounds through anything and tell us how you feel.

An accuracy is as good or better than any AR or swiss arms I've ever seen.

Sure

I routinely shoot the bull out at 100 yards. At 300 I can hit the metal plates every single shot.

Better, at least you've indicated in these sentences you've passed the barrier of 100m that most XCR fans seem to be stuck on....but don't end it there, keep going (further out) and tell us how you fair.

Internet groupings are always the tightest for the SA guys. They think because they spent 3k they have bull seeking bullets.

...and back to utter nonsense.
No one on here is making a buck from the sale of Swiss rifles by indicating how good they are, unlike some 'backers' of other guns....

At 100 yards, I can make the bull on my 4.5" target (1" bull) disappear.

And?

You don't need loctite. However, if you buy ANYTHING with moving parts, you should ALWAYS give any nuts and bolts a quick twist to ensure they are properly assembled.

Ummmm, no.
This is horse sh!t Robarms shovels their customers to have them believe their shoddy work and craftsmanship is 'normal'.
Same with the 'break in' period. B/S.
I'll buy this line from a $300 Norinco, but not a $2500 rifle. Give your head a shake. Really.

Its not like they tell their assembly staff to only partially torque their nuts and bolts.

I sure hope not

 

[dudley2112]

39.99$ each or 309.00$ for 10 at Canada ammo, pretty much the same as the AR mags.

well if i had know that (and had a spare 2000$ lying around) i would have got a SA instead of my AR180b

 

[greentips]

This is getting retarded - it is just a gun, stop being too personal.

 

[eigenvector]

Ummmm, no.
This is horse sh!t Robarms shovels their customers to have them believe their shoddy work and craftsmanship is 'normal'.
Same with the 'break in' period. B/S.
I'll buy this line from a $300 Norinco, but not a $2500 rifle. Give your head a shake. Really.

Well for what it's worth even the $350 Norcs are ready to rock and roll right out of the box, as one would expect from any newly manufactured firearm.

 

[sprint]

Originally Posted by Paul Morrison View Post
At 100 yards, I can make the bull on my 4.5" target (1" bull) disappear.

And?

I think that's what the 1000 rounds went into.


Seriously though. The XCR is an ok enough gun, but its sounds sorta retarded getting all blown up about it.

 

[bobbyhill]

re-torquing screws and the loctite that the XCR may require...what is all that about ????when i got my AR I did one thing shoot shoot shoot with it and accuracy is better than me thats for sure. Admits all this debate one thing seems to be certain the swiss arms is the best. I love the 10 round mags tho ...see what sux is I have no access to either of these guns on the range so i cant compare I have to buy one and well hope lol .... I will see what the paycheck is at the end of the week and i hope members continue to post there views they are really helpful.... I like both guns I have only ever seen a swiss arms tho and it looked very well built. As far as the conversion thing aghhh great idea but not for me 223 is just fine if I wanna hunt anything bigger than small game i always take my m14 she does what i need her to do.

NOW REALLY THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT AN XCR AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT???? WHAT WAS IT ????HOW WAS IT FIXED ... AND SAME FOR THE SWISS ARMS ... ANYTHING OVER 2000 BUCKS SHOULD BE PERFECT OUT OF THE BOX. I DON'T WANT A SWISS ARMS OWNER KNOCKING THE XCR JUST BECAUSE THEY OWN A SWISS OR VICE VERSA UNLESS YOU HAVE OWNED BOTH ALL YOU CAN REALLY SPEAK TOWARD ARE THE PROS AND CONS TO YOUR OWN RIFLE .....WHO THINKS ITS WORTH IT (1000 EXTRA ) TO BUY THE SWISS???? I MEAN 1000 ...IS A NEW GUN PLUS I THINK YOU HAVE TO BUY A RAIL TOO FOR THE SWISS WHICH IS OVERPRICED I AM SURE ... BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.....THANK YOU ALL CGN'ers all the advice is very helpful and I thank all of you for giving your time to help choose the best gun for me ...this website is truly amazing and you would be hard pressed to find anther site like this for any other sport. cheers

 

[mrsmitty]

I own both. No problems with either. Accuracy for me has been both 1.5-1 MOA. Both are heavy compared to my AR's. Recoil on setting 2 of the XCR is lighter than the Swiss arms but really 5.56 don't recoil much anyways. I like the ergos of the XCR better than the Swiss arms. Swiss arms has better fit and finish. There you go no koolaid or bs.

 

[alexD92]

Are planning on scoping your rifle?

 

[bobbyhill]

Ya man I think for these ones I am gonna put a scope ....I was thinking a 6500 2.5x16 ???

 

[bobbyhill]

Thanks mr smitty

 

[bobbyhill]

are 55 gr 223 ok with the swiss

 

[mrsmitty]

Yes they are fine.

 

[Tron]

I've had my XCR for a year and a half now (first batch into Canada). I've only ever experienced mag related failure to feeds. My only complaint is the trigger. The heavy pull and slap that occurs in the first couple hundred rounds are apparently fixed with the introduction of the new versions of the trigger. So if you're buying a new one I wouldn't worry about it.

However, I do believe the SA is the superior rifle. I do not own a Swiss, but I have shot many. The fit and finish are head and shoulders above. I also really like the diopter sights. AND they come with the rock solid factory folding stocks. If I had 3K burnin a hole in my pocket, I would definitely get one. With the cheap mags coming available, it seems like a no brainer. In the mean time I'm gonna stick with the XCR, don't think I'm going to get rid of it anytime soon. Plus 10 round mags in the bush kicks ass.

 

[Armedsask]

This is getting retarded - it is just a gun, stop being too personal.

That is one of my biggest peeves with the XCR, the blind faith of those who bought it and dismiss legitimate issue others have had.

The XCR left a bad taste in my mouth before I even shot it, just the general fit and finish for a $2500 rifle. It then completely lost any credibility when it s**t the bed after 50 rounds.

The XCR is an alright rifle. It is NOT a $2500 rifle.

 

[angryeyebrows]

That is one of my biggest peeves with the XCR, the blind faith of those who bought it and dismiss legitimate issue others have had.

The XCR left a bad taste in my mouth before I even shot it, just the general fit and finish for a $2500 rifle. It then completely lost any credibility when it s**t the bed after 50 rounds.

The XCR is an alright rifle. It is NOT a $2500 rifle.

You just keep saying what I'm thinking. Armedsask, me and you are on the same page.

It feels like a lot of the die hard XCR owners put up all that cash to buy one and have never really owned anything else. Now they feel obliged to defend their purchase against a superior product.

Anyone I know who has used and owned both would NEVER pick the XCR over the Swiss rifle, it's just simply not at the same level. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but to think otherwise is absolutely idiotic.

 

[angryeyebrows]

You don't need loctite. However, if you buy ANYTHING with moving parts, you should ALWAYS give any nuts and bolts a quick twist to ensure they are properly assembled. My XCR came with everything tighter than a drum. The manual simply tells you to do what every gun manufacturer should be telling you to do: make sure everything is tight before you use it.

Its not like they tell their assembly staff to only partially torque their nuts and bolts.

This part made me laugh. I'd like to assume that if I'm buying a $2500 dollar rifle, at the very least it would be properly assembled!

 

[twyeh]

I vote Swiss made over American any day, you get what you pay for with SIG/Swiss Arms.

 

[DMcFaul]

Weird.. never had to tighten anything on my Swiss Arms other than my shooting grip..

I've shot both... I've shot almost every NATO battle rifle, and most comblock rifles. So my experience is mostly with rifles supposedly at the top of their game. The XCR is a mid-level sporter at best, it's WAY overpriced and fraught with design and operational flaws. The Swiss Arms however is at the top of the food chain. It is literally the best built and best working firearm I have ever used. you get what you pay for with a Swiss rifle, with the XCR, I'm not sure what you're paying for. It has some great concepts in the package (swappable calibers), but is it really necessary? For the price you can buy a whole other AR upper. Now I'm not a big fan of the AR if given a choice of everything out there, but I'd take one over a XCR. Would I own a XCR? I'd pay $1k for one new, so if that ever happens, sure. It just hasn't proven itself to be reliable enough yet. Maybe Robarm will crack the whip on their QC & Engineers.

The only decision people seem to make here is "I've got a pile of money, which of these expensive rifles should I get"? Sure the Swiss rifles are $1000 more, but they're not even in the same class. Keep an eye on the EE, there's deals to be had. I paid less than an XCR for my Swiss...

 

[misanthropist]

You don't need loctite. However, if you buy ANYTHING with moving parts, you should ALWAYS give any nuts and bolts a quick twist to ensure they are properly assembled.

Man...buying a new car must be a very involved process for you. How many nuts and bolts did my 4runner have when it rolled off the lot, I wonder? No point trusting Toyota to get them all right...better break out the torque wrench, I guess.

 

[retepnosflow]

I own 3 Swiss but would sure like to have an XCR in the Safe besides them.