Xcr vs swiss arms..need help
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JUST FOUND THIS >.....WTF I have read 1000 problems with this gun >>> 1/3 have had problems right out the box ....not somthing iam risking.. iam getting the swiss
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Trigger Schematic aziator 10 2020 March 15, 2009, 16:05:19
by EricCartmann
Cant remove barrel? TerraShrewsbury 4 933 December 11, 2008, 13:45:14
by dont_tread_on_me
Bolt Won't Close/Pierced Primers kolob 23 2444 November 21, 2008, 23:27:02
by TerraShrewsbury
No Rocket Scientry Here... i303 15 2110 April 10, 2008, 11:11:40
by TerraShrewsbury
Rifle was cycling properly and then stopped after 250 rounds kolob 1 1521 January 31, 2008, 23:53:18
by aziator
Bolt hold open pin (?) came loose Stan08 5 206 Today at 07:05
by VariableBinary
REALLY CONFUSED marineone 20 648 Today at 06:49
by VariableBinary
Failure To Eject « 1 2 All » PDBreske 30 628 Yesterday at 18:04
by Lawdog
anybody else having problems with pmags? mparker762 15 542 August 20, 2009, 00:27:39
by Special-K
PDBreske's gun TerraShrewsbury 20 662 August 10, 2009, 11:24:58
by TerraShrewsbury
Reloading just for the XCR Michael 15 325 August 09, 2009, 09:40:49
by m118sb
Front take down cotter pin AWOL. M. Riggs 13 261 August 07, 2009, 15:37:03
by TerraShrewsbury
Recoil buffers. Conan_568 7 389 August 07, 2009, 03:24:02
by Conan_568
Went Shooting for the 4th! « 1 2 3 All » Ashraam 53 916 July 26, 2009, 23:06:40
by Ashraam
A few teething problems Mtnwalker 12 224 July 26, 2009, 20:42:26
by EckSeeArr
C Product mag problems marwok13 3 135 July 24, 2009, 14:59:26
by M. Riggs
Just got home from Iraq on R&R AmmoChief 20 712 July 22, 2009, 01:03:51
by Cid1911
XCR replacement for AK-15, OK.. for AK not so fast!( personal test of new XCR). « 1 2 All » captdan 35 1095 July 21, 2009, 12:30:10
by captdan
strange blue substance :O~ JonwoN 14 262 July 20, 2009, 22:25:47
by MickeyC
Wolf ammo Steel case a problem? Firestarter 9 171 July 19, 2009, 19:03:52
by tacweapon
brass dimples outward Brew 3 111 July 16, 2009, 16:57:36
by TerraShrewsbury
Uh, slight problem... Warhawk1982 9 394 July 10, 2009, 11:49:03
by Warhawk1982
No sights marwok13 8 251 July 07, 2009, 07:18:29
by marwok13
Barrel Bolt has been red-loctited?? Vultite 3 149 July 07, 2009, 03:40:07
by Underground
problem with manual cycling masterduck 4 145 July 05, 2009, 16:28:13
by masterduck
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Trigger Schematic aziator 10 2020 March 15, 2009, 16:05:19
by EricCartmann
Cant remove barrel? TerraShrewsbury 4 933 December 11, 2008, 13:45:14
by dont_tread_on_me
Bolt Won't Close/Pierced Primers kolob 23 2444 November 21, 2008, 23:27:02
by TerraShrewsbury
No Rocket Scientry Here... i303 15 2110 April 10, 2008, 11:11:40
by TerraShrewsbury
Rifle was cycling properly and then stopped after 250 rounds kolob 1 1521 January 31, 2008, 23:53:18
by aziator
Bolt hold open pin (?) came loose Stan08 5 206 Today at 07:05
by VariableBinary
REALLY CONFUSED marineone 20 648 Today at 06:49
by VariableBinary
Failure To Eject « 1 2 All » PDBreske 30 628 Yesterday at 18:04
by Lawdog
anybody else having problems with pmags? mparker762 15 542 August 20, 2009, 00:27:39
by Special-K
PDBreske's gun TerraShrewsbury 20 662 August 10, 2009, 11:24:58
by TerraShrewsbury
Reloading just for the XCR Michael 15 325 August 09, 2009, 09:40:49
by m118sb
Front take down cotter pin AWOL. M. Riggs 13 261 August 07, 2009, 15:37:03
by TerraShrewsbury
Recoil buffers. Conan_568 7 389 August 07, 2009, 03:24:02
by Conan_568
Went Shooting for the 4th! « 1 2 3 All » Ashraam 53 916 July 26, 2009, 23:06:40
by Ashraam
A few teething problems Mtnwalker 12 224 July 26, 2009, 20:42:26
by EckSeeArr
C Product mag problems marwok13 3 135 July 24, 2009, 14:59:26
by M. Riggs
Just got home from Iraq on R&R AmmoChief 20 712 July 22, 2009, 01:03:51
by Cid1911
XCR replacement for AK-15, OK.. for AK not so fast!( personal test of new XCR). « 1 2 All » captdan 35 1095 July 21, 2009, 12:30:10
by captdan
strange blue substance :O~ JonwoN 14 262 July 20, 2009, 22:25:47
by MickeyC
Wolf ammo Steel case a problem? Firestarter 9 171 July 19, 2009, 19:03:52
by tacweapon
brass dimples outward Brew 3 111 July 16, 2009, 16:57:36
by TerraShrewsbury
Uh, slight problem... Warhawk1982 9 394 July 10, 2009, 11:49:03
by Warhawk1982
No sights marwok13 8 251 July 07, 2009, 07:18:29
by marwok13
Barrel Bolt has been red-loctited?? Vultite 3 149 July 07, 2009, 03:40:07
by Underground
problem with manual cycling masterduck 4 145 July 05, 2009, 16:28:13
by masterduck
This thread ranks up there with a bear/ zombie threat , the Friday night drunk thread & why does my corn appear the same way going out as it did going in thread? Buy the Swiss then & drop this ghey thread. This has been way over kill on two civilian rifles, that's just old news. The search function could have found this same old sh!t 10 times over...
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If the PE90 was nearly as widespread as the XCR is due to US distribution, you'd see a similar amount of issues. Talk to KevinB, somebody who's seen/used the Swiss carbines in the field/middle east... not flattering reviews; parts breakage, etc.
Lets be honest, we're Canadian. One non-restricted semi is as good as another so long as it can be expected to be reasonably reliable. The XCR can be. It's six of one half a dozen of the other. If I were to buy, I'd nod towards a used XCR due to the LAR 10 round mags and the price. There's no question for me. PE90's good, but seriously, it's just a stamped steel rifle and is really nothing special nor the "cadillac of..." or "the best money can buy..." or "a member of the elite fraternity...". This stuff gives me a good laugh!
The PE90's just a rifle, and has its own suite of problems... and even as with mine, I'll be the first to admit, handling one really doesn't give you the warm fuzzies. It's actually pretty anti-climatic, a sort of, "Oh... so it's just another stamped steel rifle. Without integral optics mounts, and a slightly slow twist rate. With toe in plastic mags and somewhat cantankerous selector and mag release positions."
Now, the XCR's not perfect either, non of them are. The XCR's new, and has a few teething issues, but on the whole seems to have a good reputation and can use 10 round mags with a much more comfortable/ergonomic selector and mag release. Moral of my long winded affair is buy whatever you like the looks of, this is Canada, you're not going to be taking on a unit of Iranian or Chinese troopers with your five round mags and Winchester white box .223. You're going to shoot some paper, gophers, tin can, clods of dirt... maybe a coyote. Both do this equally well, but the XCR doesn't make you buy a mount as well for playing with optics for one, and give you ten round per mag for point two. I'd go XCR. I've had stoppages with the PE90 too, the thing's definitely not infallible. You'll likely have one some day with an XCR too... and who cares! That dirt clods not charging all that fast.
Lets be honest, we're Canadian. One non-restricted semi is as good as another so long as it can be expected to be reasonably reliable. The XCR can be. It's six of one half a dozen of the other. If I were to buy, I'd nod towards a used XCR due to the LAR 10 round mags and the price. There's no question for me. PE90's good, but seriously, it's just a stamped steel rifle and is really nothing special nor the "cadillac of..." or "the best money can buy..." or "a member of the elite fraternity...". This stuff gives me a good laugh!
The PE90's just a rifle, and has its own suite of problems... and even as with mine, I'll be the first to admit, handling one really doesn't give you the warm fuzzies. It's actually pretty anti-climatic, a sort of, "Oh... so it's just another stamped steel rifle. Without integral optics mounts, and a slightly slow twist rate. With toe in plastic mags and somewhat cantankerous selector and mag release positions."
Now, the XCR's not perfect either, non of them are. The XCR's new, and has a few teething issues, but on the whole seems to have a good reputation and can use 10 round mags with a much more comfortable/ergonomic selector and mag release. Moral of my long winded affair is buy whatever you like the looks of, this is Canada, you're not going to be taking on a unit of Iranian or Chinese troopers with your five round mags and Winchester white box .223. You're going to shoot some paper, gophers, tin can, clods of dirt... maybe a coyote. Both do this equally well, but the XCR doesn't make you buy a mount as well for playing with optics for one, and give you ten round per mag for point two. I'd go XCR. I've had stoppages with the PE90 too, the thing's definitely not infallible. You'll likely have one some day with an XCR too... and who cares! That dirt clods not charging all that fast.
angryeyebrows
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Those guys were using the discontinued 552 models....not the carbines or the rifles. The flaw there lay in the manufacturer changing the style of the operating system. Even then, the parts breaking were in very high round count guns, if I'm not mistaken.
angryeyebrows
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You can get them in 1/7 as well as the traditional 1/10.
My carbine is 1/7, so is my CQB
That is what I had read as well. The issue was not with the PE90 but the 552 carbines.
Nor is the 552 the Swiss Arms CQB.
Different gun.
I'm pretty sure JR (TSE) responded on this when BigRed and KevinB noted issues with the 552s in Iraq. Chronic problems are not endemic to the SAN series guns.
That said, anyone who thinks that any model of gun cannot fail in hard use is a fool.
1000 rounds is not hard use. It is hard up for use...
Same can be said about the XCR that ran into problems, RA resolved the issue once they were notified.
No.
You really can't say the same thing about it.
With Sig (not Swiss Arms) everyone knows the one case for fail because it was the one case. It is now an almost mythical tale because it collides so hard with the otherwise rock solid accounts for reliability.
And it only affected a particular type of user with a particular model of gun.
I'm no opponent of Robarms, have tried the XCR and even aesthetically enjoy the gun. But if you are claiming that there has only been one single stand out issue with that gun even in LIGHT assed use, you are going to have a lot of people chuckling....
The XCR is a new gun. I'm curious from an engineering standpoint if some teething issues that are being reported stem from the probability that the XCR likely did not have the same big-budget regression testing prior to roll out that SAN had?
Sig's testing is fairly well published...
Maybe XCRmonger could comment on the R&D testing?
What a silly thread this is, comparing a commercial basement-grade gun to a service rifle with with a lineage that goes back over a century is totally retarded.
Let's compare the deagle to the SIG, it has gold polishing and bigger clipz, oh lolololo1o1o1o1!111.
Let's compare the deagle to the SIG, it has gold polishing and bigger clipz, oh lolololo1o1o1o1!111.
Let's get this f@$kin thing stickyied so we don't have the dead revived every other week... I agree with koalorka in one respect, lets compare the Sig or the XCR to anything else than the other one. I'm sure the Sig is a better rifle, it's a thousand bucks more!!! I'm sure the XCR is the better rifle cause thousand bucks cheaper....
Now what the hell is the Deagle?
Now what the hell is the Deagle?
A new Sig?
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Originally Posted by angryeyebrows View Post
Those guys were using the discontinued 552 models....not the carbines or the rifles. The flaw there lay in the manufacturer changing the style of the operating system. Even then, the parts breaking were in very high round count guns, if I'm not mistaken.
The problems that we had in Iraq was with the 552 model. They WERE NOT high round count guns. The problems we had were, chronically destroyed recoil spring guides, several damage op rods (on the lugs where the op-rod engaged the bolt carrier, and at least on cracked bolt carrier. These problems were specific to this model. Big Red did use a 551 for a while, and he did not have issues with that rifle. Unfortunately he had to give it back.
As an aside, I ran my classic green carbine on SMC's Basic Carbine course this past weekend, and it ran flawlessly, with the exception, that the stock hinge pin would work it's way out, with shooting. My Black Special has never had this problem, so I switched the lower receivers and didn't have any more issues. No other stoppages other than empty mags Which were usually planned as part of the drill. One other shooter on the course also ran a Classic Green, and to my knowledge had no issues.
There was one XCR on the course as well, and every time I looked over, which admittedly wasn't much, he seemed to be clearing a stoppage of some sort. He was generally on the other end of the line from me, so I have no idea what the issues were.
I believe he posts on here though, so perhaps we'll hear it from the horses mouth.
Originally Posted by angryeyebrows View Post
Those guys were using the discontinued 552 models....not the carbines or the rifles. The flaw there lay in the manufacturer changing the style of the operating system. Even then, the parts breaking were in very high round count guns, if I'm not mistaken.
The problems that we had in Iraq was with the 552 model. They WERE NOT high round count guns. The problems we had were, chronically destroyed recoil spring guides, several damage op rods (on the lugs where the op-rod engaged the bolt carrier, and at least on cracked bolt carrier. These problems were specific to this model. Big Red did use a 551 for a while, and he did not have issues with that rifle. Unfortunately he had to give it back.
As an aside, I ran my classic green carbine on SMC's Basic Carbine course this past weekend, and it ran flawlessly, with the exception, that the stock hinge pin would work it's way out, with shooting. My Black Special has never had this problem, so I switched the lower receivers and didn't have any more issues. No other stoppages other than empty mags
Which were usually planned as part of the drill. One other shooter on the course also ran a Classic Green, and to my knowledge had no issues.There was one XCR on the course as well, and every time I looked over, which admittedly wasn't much, he seemed to be clearing a stoppage of some sort. He was generally on the other end of the line from me, so I have no idea what the issues were.
I believe he posts on here though, so perhaps we'll hear it from the horses mouth.
I find it strangely coincidental that the detractors of the XCR generally seem to be shooters with more experience with a variety of black rifles, unlike the ardent proponents that see nothing wrong with the XCR who generally seem to be new to black rifles and seem to feel the need to justify their purchases. Maybe that's just my perception of thing from reading these same threads over and over again every week.
