Xcr vs swiss arms..need help

I am thinking about buying an XCR from Wolverine supplies and thought I would call them. I asked the guy on the phone what he thought about the XCR. He said they use the XCR as a range gun. To his knowledge, it has never skipped a beat and has been in use for a few years now.
To me that sounds to be very reliable. I am not 100% sure if that gentleman is telling the honest truth since he is selling the product but he sounds to be fairly credible. Of course I will be doing alot more research before I go ahead and make my purchase since $2300 is still not pocket change to me.
 
As usual, the XCR fanboys came out of the woodwork and took it personal.
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Lol... and you're an impartial guy. Why not just ask Jack Layton for his view on the XCR? He'd be less partisan.
 
If you want silly, consider this:

I have not, at any time, said a single negative word about the swiss arms rifle. I have merely defended my XCR against those who would trash it based upon preference or their own bias.
 
This has been beat to death.
As has been explained many times before, the XCR is not in the same class as the Swiss Arms guns.
The XCR is good, cool and I like them. There quality is questionable and as many have stated may not be worth the price they are going for. It's not a proven system. Shooting on the range with 5 round mags is not the same as using the weapon system operationally in select fire.

My free entertainment is the guys talking about the 300 meter and 500 meter groups ect....ect... For those of us who play that game, Beltfed included, it's always amazing to hear the claims. I've yet to see many of these guys out at a Service Rifle match to actually shoot at 500 meters.

Rich
 
As has been explained many times before, the XCR is not in the same class as the Swiss Arms guns.
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No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.
There quality is questionable
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Your spelling is more questionable than their quality.

Shooting on the range with 5 round mags is not the same as using the weapon system operationally in select fire.
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Your swiss arms is not a select fire rifle derived from any service rifle using select fire either. If you dispute this, you ought to read the court case involving the swiss arms rifle wherein the importer argued throughout that they were not derived from prohibited service rifles, an argument that the court ultimately agreed with. Both the importer and the court agree that your swiss arms is not a derivation of a select fire rifle in service.
 
Paul Morrison said:
No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.


Your spelling is more questionable than their quality.



Your swiss arms is not a select fire rifle derived from any service rifle using select fire either. If you dispute this, you ought to read the court case involving the swiss arms rifle wherein the importer argued throughout that they were not derived from prohibited service rifles, an argument that the court ultimately agreed with. Both the importer and the court agree that your swiss arms is not a derivation of a select fire rifle in service.
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Err....

Dude.



I'm pretty sure Rich's duty gun is. Just sorta FYI.

I think he shoots quite a bit more of both then Joe average. Or Joe above average. Or...

Ah. You get the point.


Anyway. You might not want to poke that particular bear with the proverbial stick.
 
Paul Morrison said:
No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true.


Your spelling is more questionable than their quality.



Your swiss arms is not a select fire rifle derived from any service rifle using select fire either. If you dispute this, you ought to read the court case involving the swiss arms rifle wherein the importer argued throughout that they were not derived from prohibited service rifles, an argument that the court ultimately agreed with. Both the importer and the court agree that your swiss arms is not a derivation of a select fire rifle in service.
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Yes it is. No matter how many times you ignore the facts they are still facts. Every SAN rifle leaves the factory only after test firing for function, zeroing of sights and passing an accuracy test at 300m. no other manufacturer has this type of quality control.

TSE is and always has been the importer of these rifles. There has been no such court case. However, SAN has consistanty mantained the same quality control measures for the civilian rifles they produce as they use for the military rifles. So while the guns are not the same, testing, quality control and materials are.

SAN rifles may not be in everyone's price range and they may not be as accurate as some other rifles, but I can assure anyone who asks that they are more durable than just about anything out there, and they are among the most reliable semi autos around. The XCR does not have that track record.
 
redleg said:
Yes it is. No matter how many times you ignore the facts they are still facts. Every SAN rifle leaves the factory only after test firing for function, zeroing of sights and passing an accuracy test at 300m. no other manufacturer has this type of quality control.

TSE is and always has been the importer of these rifles. There has been no such court case. However, SAN has consistanty mantained the same quality control measures for the civilian rifles they produce as they use for the military rifles. So while the guns are not the same, testing, quality control and materials are.

SAN rifles may not be in everyone's price range and they may not be as accurate as some other rifles, but I can assure anyone who asks that they are more durable than just about anything out there, and they are among the most reliable semi autos around. The XCR does not have that track record.
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baaaammmmmm!!!!! :rockOn: That gonna be the end of it then Paul Morrison?

P.S. Have seen/heard Rich LPS practicing with his duty weapon, down at the range.... nothing like the sound of a 3-round burst to turn heads at a Canadian gun range.
 
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UncleWalther said:
baaaammmmmm!!!!! :rockOn: That gonna be the end of it then Paul Morrison?

P.S. Have seen/heard Rich LPS' duty weapon, down at the range.... nothing like the sound of a 3-round burst to turn heads at a Canadian gun range.
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Lucky flat top carbine owning bastard.

How's your search for the sniper variant going?
 
sprint said:
Lucky flat top carbine owning bastard.

How's your search for the sniper variant going?
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:D

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Well, as usual any thread involving the XCR has devolved into chaos.

Here's what I think. The XCR fanboys (and I own one) forget that it's not the end of the world to be compared unfavorably to one of the best semi auto rifles on the market. It just ain't worth arguing apples and oranges.

We own a rifle manufactured by a small private company without the resources of a major league military supplier behind them. I would imagine building an all new semi auto rifle is not a simple undertaking. All of the other rifles are derived from a military model which likely undergoes thousands of hours of testing. How many of these other models also had teething problems in their early production? The difference is that in reality we are essentially doing the testing for Robinson. Things will go wrong. Problems will be found. It's not the end of the world. Fix the damn thing and move on.

None of us are taking this rifle to war. If an extractor/ejector/whatever lets go, so what? At least you can get parts for them. If that's too much for you, wait a year or two and buy one. As we've seen each XCR batch has some improvements over the last. It's like buying the first model of a new car. The guy who buys one next year might get something you didn't. Does that mean you got ripped off? No, someone else just benefited from a year of real world experience.

If the AR platform was developed and sold to the public without years of military use would anyone use one based on the issues it had?

So at the end of the day is the XCR worth over two grand? Well that's personal and subjective. To me a non-restricted black rifle that takes AR mags and has an integrated quad rail and a fully railed upper, comes with decent flip up sights, throw in the potential for future caliber conversions, well that seemed like a fair deal. Is it for everyone? Obviously not, ergo, this thread.
 
I am a Swiss Arms fan. But, I do like the XCR. It is black, non-restricted, and seriously cool. Is it worth over $2K? Yes! Is the Swiss Arms worth over $3K? Yes!
 
UncleWalther said:
I am a Swiss Arms fan. But, I do like the XCR. It is black, non-restricted, and seriously cool. Is it worth over $2K? Yes! Is the Swiss Arms worth over $3K? Yes!
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It would be nice to run LAR's in a nonrestricted if that is allowed (Have not done my research on that topic!!!), but for now an AR will suit me fine!
 
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